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IIIIIIIIIIII (see what IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII did there? <smile>) think it's quite obvious, but again, it depends on who we say these "early fathers" are, and I'm sure we disagree ~ for the most part, if not entirely ~ on that (also... <smile>). Hmmm, well... this is true of so many things that get...

I'm going to dismiss this too, graciously. <smile> Right, but that doesn't mean He sanctions it or approves of it, or is the author of it. Some will think that, but, okay. Right, but again... well, see directly above. Right. Something decreed is not necessarily actively caused or ordered...

Okay, ordaining and decreeing... You know, I went for my afternoon run a little while ago and I was thinking about what I had posted to Lambano... NOTE: I'm not gossiping about Lambano, I just mentioned him ...see what I did there? <smile> So, okay, I'll agree that essentially, they are the...

I just mentioned you, that's all. No, it wasn't gossip, or like it, at all. I do not agree with many mainline Christians about certain things in God's Word (especially in the West, as I said) because they are wrong about those things, But I am a member of a church of a (very) mainline, (very)...

From above... Now, perhaps here I am not speaking to exactly what you are referring to as "historically quite correct." but no, He doesn't "decree that we should sin" (I'm not sure what you mean by 'historically,' as God is not a part of human history, but rather the Ruler over it... the great...

From above... The problem, Lambano, really, is ~ unintended... inadvertent... as it may be ~ an underestimation of sin and our natural condition of being dead in it... which is the proper understanding of John Calvin's "total depravity." Many want to make it out to a very wooden "inability to...

With all due respect, probably because you have many of the same misconceptions and misunderstandings that GodsGrace has hit on time and time again over the course of this discussion (if it could be called that at all, really, speaking of GodsGrace's role at least through the latter part of this...

Ah, no you're not. LOL! But okay, Gosh. Hey wait, I thought you were done... <smile> What happened to that? <smile> Well, then give me yours. Love The Matrix. What a great flick... No you're not... <smile> You should be, but, hey, you do you. LOL! Wait... how do you know...

Good-natured sparring between Christians about the things of God is a good thing. Now, quarreling and disparaging and even insulting should be refrained from completely, and I would exhort you to do just that. LOL! Suit yourself, for sure. <smile> Grace and peace to you in the name of our...

Yes, He loves all His creation, and is making it new. However... there is a sense in which He only loves... some/many. Nope. PinSeeker. Right, no need. "Some kind of syntax"... what do you even mean by that? Hm. I'm not even sure what you're talking about here. But no matter. Um...

Well, yes, but God's Israel, not physical Israel. And in Romans 9-11, he's clearly speaking of how God will save the individuals that will make up His Israel, His household ~ both ethnic Jew and Gentile. And Moses quoted God. If God says, "I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy...

The name is PinSeeker. I've been very clear; all human beings are born "totally depraved." But I think you think "totally depraved" is something different than what John Calvin meant by that term. In a sense, yes... from God's perspective, as He is outside of time, infinite, and all time is...

LOL! What does 'elect' mean, GodsGrace? And whose... well, Whose... purpose of election is it? Who does the electing, and why? And Paul is very clear in Romans 9:16, that "it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, Who has mercy." And I'll turn what Paul says in Romans 9:22-24...

I hope so. Just being thorough. It shouldn't; that sounds like a you thing. I have no idea what you mean by this. Other than that maybe what you're saying by this is that since God chose who would be saved, there was no need for anyone to pay the wages of sin (death), but that's quite...

It is. But dispensationalism is pervasive, especially in the West. Ohhhh, it exists. Here's the Westminster Confession of Faith. There are 33 chapters but it's really not that long a read. Relevant to what we're discussing, you might focus on Chapter 3 (Of God's Eternal Decree), chapter 9...

Maybe... <smile> I've been very clear about this. Christ's sacrifice is sufficient for all, and in that sense is for the whole world, for everyone... unlimited. However, we know that not everyone will be saved, Christ's atonement is only applied to and effectual for those who have been given...

Good... Fair enough... Ah well, physical Israel and God's Israel, regardless of timeframe, are two different things. There is some overlap, but... well, as Paul says in Romans 9, "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel," and "not all are children of Abraham because they are...

This is... mostly... excellent, Titus. These things I would take some issue with: "Jesus had not shed His blood before the cross, therefore His church had not yet been established.... Cant be in the church if there is no blood to purchase you. An a atonement for sins... folks had to hear...

Well, yes, and no. But no only, if the thinking is only in the first sense of Christ's atonement, which is indeed unlimited in scope, and not in the second, which inarguably is limited in scope. Both are true, and neither at the exclusion of the other. Ah! <smile> Well, I have been very...

Yikes. I certainly don't mean to do that... Grace and peace to you!