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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Logic is basically correct thinking. Since God is true and correct, logical thinking imitates God. Logic is not a physical attribute, it is a spiritual attribute. Here is a logical statement, if A is true then condition B occurs. Here is logic in the Bible … Galatians 3:29 And if ye be...
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    But shun profane and vain babblings

    Your explanation of God telling Moses He was currently the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob based only on their future resurrection doesn’t agree with Matthew 22:32. According to your view God is the God of the dead based on their future resurrection, but Matthew 22:32 says God is not the God...
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    But shun profane and vain babblings

    Well then God wasn’t the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob after they died. God would only become their God again after they are resurrected and become zao. However in Exodus 3:6 God says he is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, meaning at the time He spoke those words He was their God.
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    But shun profane and vain babblings

    The Sadducees believed a person ceased to exist after they physically died, along with their belief that there was no resurrection. Jesus directly answered their question about the resurrection in Matthew 22:30, then in verse 31 Jesus used the phrase “regarding the resurrection of the dead” to...
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    But shun profane and vain babblings

    I’ve seen you make this claim several times and I don’t think it’s accurate. Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living (zao). Jesus is quoting Exodus 3:6 which means this verse is referring to the...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Revelation 21:23 also has New Jerusalem not needing the sun or moon, but my point is that a time will come when the Jeremiah 31:36 promise gets fulfilled. This means there can be no unconditional eternal promises made to the nation of Israel, right? Verses such as Ezekiel 37:25-26 can’t be...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    What about Isaiah 60:20 where the sun and moon are not obeying their ordinances which were given back in Genesis 1:14? Doesn’t this qualify as meeting the Jeremiah 31:36 conditions? Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Ok, I disagree with you on this, even with looking at the interlinear. Verse 35 ends in a colon which means verse 36 is referring back to the ordinances of the sun, moon, and stars in verse 35, not the new covenant in verse 31.
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Irregardless of the time period Isaiah 60:20 is pointing to, at some point the sun and moon do not obey the ordinances. You are adding in the stipulation of “if God's ordinance has departed from Israel before the GWTR judgement”. That is not in Jeremiah 31:36. Jeremiah 31:31 is referring to...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Here are some facts to consider … Fact: the ordinances of the sun, moon, and stars is given in Genesis 1:14. Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    I don’t know the actual length of time. I know it’s a little season, just like everyone else, because that’s what Revelation 6:11 says. We can’t be certain of the actual date the question was asked but we know it had to be prior to the book of Revelation being written, or published. So the...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    I don’t want to debate free will vs elect because that type of argument never ends, but I’m curious, do you believe in free will? Can someone “born of God” use their free will to sin or does someone “born of God” not have the free will to sin?
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    I agree with you on this. There certainly were some people during the first century that were attempting to persuade new covenant believers to follow to old covenant requirements. Perhaps those that “went out from us” were people who initially accepted Jesus as the Messiah but later decided to...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    Well from 1 John 5:18 people who are born of God sinneth not. If the falling away is the saints sining then the saints aren’t born of God, right? I’m not sure I understand your position, are there two different classes of believers, saints and those born of God?
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    What about the Lord’s Prayer? In Luke 11:4 it says forgive us our sins, is this prayer not meant for people who are born of God?
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    That’s not hard to understand, Gentiles were excluded when they didn’t participate with the old covenant requirements, and included when they did participate. You are arguing against yourself, that was not your position on May 31, 2024 when you said “You need to read the New Testament. It...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    In the thread “Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?” Post #568 you said “You need to read the New Testament. It repeatedly shows how Gentile believers were included in the covenants that God made with Israel.” Here is the quote below … Now it...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    I completely agree, but just as Paul went to the Gentiles, Peter went to the Jews. That absolutely is something he would say to Jews but wouldn’t say to Gentiles. In 1 Peter 1:1 he wrote to the diaspora which is always referring to Jews elsewhere in the Bible. Even though many Jews remained...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    There are no other instances where diaspora is used in a spiritual sense and the diaspora wasn’t referring to Gentiles unless you call Peter’s usage the only exception. Galatians 2:9 tells us Peter went to the circumcision. I have come across others on this forum that claim there are instances...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    The one flock is made up of scattered Jews and Gentiles. The Gentiles are the nations of the world, they aren’t scattered to even more nations somewhere beyond that. I’m not arguing against Jew and Gentiles alike being part of the Royal Priesthood.