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How about this, Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Here the church in Philadelphia is kept from something that comes upon all the world...

I conclude that because there was a parousia in the first century. I know you said in post #227 that denying a parousia happening in 70AD causes no problems whatsoever, but here we are with a problem. You have to boldly claim that the “coming as a thief” in Revelation 3:3 is the only place in...

Here are the verses using the term coming as a thief. Revelation 3:3 2 Peter 3:10 Revelation 16:15 1 Thessalonians 5:2,4 Is Revelation 3:3 the only place where Christ coming as a thief is not His parousia?

So Christ coming as a thief is not His parousia? If not then how are you defining “coming as a thief”? 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth...

What about the warning in Revelation 3:3? “If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee”. Was this statement true for the church at Sardis in the first century? If you say there was no parousia then it didn’t matter...

No, I don’t think it is relevant for us today. Clearly if there wasn’t a coming in 70AD then it hasn’t been relevant for close to 2,000 years now, since that would mean absolutely nobody who refused to watch had Jesus come on them as a thief. The reason I don’t think it’s relevant is because...

All excellent points. It seems to me there are more issues with claiming a later date for the writing of Revelation than there are for an early date. Here’s another example I’m sure you’re aware of, Revelation 3:3 If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt...

Ok, let’s run with the idea that Peter could’ve not made the denial. That means Jesus has the potential to lie. Based on this assumption then maybe Peter didn’t make the denial after all, maybe Peters’ denial was just a fabricated story to make it look like Jesus told the truth. Maybe Peter...

Ok, from a strictly human viewpoint, that doesn’t know the future, Peter could’ve done a number of things but once it was known what would take place the human perspective doesn’t matter. From a human perspective every person can be saved and our will is to tell others about the gospel so that...

@PinSeeker I agree with most of your post, our biggest problem as humans is the Adamic nature that we all inherited. If we are given the second birth then our heart of stone is removed. Here’s where I have an issue, the idea that Peter could have acted differently and not denied can’t be true...

Alright then did Jesus take a chance that He could be untruthful when He told Peter that he would deny Him?

I can’t tell whether you think Peter had free will to prevent his denial or not after being told he would deny. Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Certainly Peter was aware of the consequences of denying, so...

It is my understanding that the LXX always uses the word “that”(ἐκεῖνος) generation and not the word “this” (αὕτη) generation to indicate a different generation than the one contemporary to the author. For example Exodus 1:6 (LXX) And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that (ἐκεῖνος)...

I would agree that Peter’s denial isn’t necessarily a teaching point against free will. But Peter’s denial then has to have some other teaching point. We have in Daniel 7:25 and they (saints) shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Also Revelation 13:7 And...

Ok, I’m not trying to push hyper-Calvinism but this one specific example of Peter having the foreknowledge that he will do something he doesn’t want to do is an interesting situation. When you say Jesus knew the future I think everyone would agree, no debate about that. When you say that Peter...

So then did Jesus tempt God? Did Jesus take a chance that His words might be untrue?

There is also the example of Peter. Jesus told Peter that he would deny Him, which happened just a few hours in the future. Peter’s will was not to deny as he expressed in Matthew 26:35. Now if Peter had the free will to choose not to deny Christ after being told he would, then Jesus tempted or...

Where are the Jews during the millennium? And why isn’t Satan bound from deceiving them during that time?

Well Satan is a foul spirit and he was at the Garden of Eden so whenever in time you place Babylon it had to have Satan caged in it. When per your view was Satan caged in Babylon?

No, I’m not locked in first century Jerusalem. Actually only the evil spirits and Satan were caged at that time, not people. Notice that in Revelation 20 Satan is bound from deceiving the nations <1484> ethnos, Gentiles. Do you have a millennium where Satan can still deceive the Jews, since he...