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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Recovering Worship The first and most obvious task of angels is the worship and praise of God. They stand in the presence of God and worship Him. Jesus said that the "angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven" (Matt 18:10). They have a specific task in heaven's liturgy. "Let...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    https://reformedreflections.org/series/angels5.pdf Angels in Reformed Spirituality by Johan D. Tangelder Since the Reformation, Protestant theology has shown a reluctance to discuss angels, contrasting sharply with the wealth of medieval speculation. The Reformers accepted the existence of...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    So there you have it. My case against Satan being a fallen angel. I could say much more, but I’ll leave it there. Perhaps the real question is why people hold onto this false doctrine. Partly because we were taught it and we didn’t do our own research. And because we need some mechanism to...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    The final proof that this does not refer to Satan or a fallen angel but a man is when God says to him, “you have come to a dreadful end and shall be no more forever.” (v. 19 ESV) It doesn’t say, “You will come to a dreadful end, sometime in the future,” but “You have [already] come to an end...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    https://thebiblespeakstoyou.com/satan-is-not-a-fallen-angel/ Who am I to disagree with Billy Graham? Not to mention so many Christians, who believe that Satan was once an angel. Oh well, here goes. While I deeply appreciate and revere Reverend Graham’s or anyone’s, commitment to Christ and...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    I'm glad to see we are like minded as far as man's inability to come to God of his own free will after the fall. However, you haven't proven that angels of God are autonomous spirits. How can they be? God tells us His angels are "ALL ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    I don't know, and I don't care, because that's not the topic. That's you attempting to deflect because you appear reluctant to answer why your doctrine built on mythology and tradition passed down from men of old throughout the ages must force the unbiblical doctrine of freewill on both man and...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    What Calvinist since the Reformation promotes the doctrine of free will? You apparently do! I notice you haven't given any rebuttal for my lengthy reply.
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Are you saying that you don't believe in the doctrine of free will of man and angels since the fall? Am I wrong about that particular doctrine of grace clouding your understanding of the spirit realm?
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Paul, I'm very encouraged that I struck a raw nerve with you. I only pray the results will be much good fruit. Sincerely, rwb
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    The stars are not symbols for angels of God, they symbolically represent the sons of God, Israel of Old as She was created to be the nation/people chosen to display the Light of God unto all the earth. The stars do not symbolize angels cast down out of heaven with the so-called fallen angel...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    I am no one's clone! I have been studying the Bible for myself for many years, and though I do appreciate learning from many who are far wised than myself, I have the final word of what I believe is truth from the Word of God. It seems especially when it comes to understanding the spiritual...
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    Jesus Chooses Us

    The desire of the OP was to keep the thread positive; I will try to show why I believe the doctrines of Sovereign Grace perfectly align with what the Bible tells us. Unfortunately, I only have a short amount of time this morning and will not be able to be on the boards for the next few days...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    This is the only part of the discussion I choose to reply to, because it sheds much light on why you continue to cling to the myth that Satan was created an angel of God and became Satan when he disobeyed God. I suspected this is why you and probably WPM also cannot be honest when discussing...
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    Jesus Chooses Us

    Again, you continue to try to assign the biblical doctrines I espouse as coming from some man. The Sovereign grace doctrines are from the Bible, and it is through my study of the Bible that I've come to embrace the Sovereign grace of God. I know that some Christians do not believe these...
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    Jesus Chooses Us

    Greetings GracePeace, The tension between the two beliefs is not real, but manufactured. The gift of eternal life is the work of God alone, but He has also ordained that we (Christians) are His workmen, created in Christ for good works. So you see monergism and synergism work together that...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Begin with post #1 and following! Christadelphian is only one of the labels directed against fellow Christians.
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    I'm not the one claiming Satan is a fallen angel of God, once good and turned evil through disobedience, you are! The onus to prove what you allege is on you, not me. Exactly! The angels of God are ministering spirits. Devil and demonic spirits are not. Devils/demons/serpent/Satan are evil...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Yes, he and anyone else who alleged I am Christadelphian, who denies the deity of Christ. Only God can save, and if Christ is not God, according to the doctrine of Christadelphians, then I am not saved.
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    According to some of you Satan was created an angel of God. Angels of God are not created with the ability to disobey God, they are all made to be ministering spirits sent to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation. Hebrews 1:14 (KJV) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent...