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Judas who was ordained an Apostle of Christ became the son of perdition; he began as light but had been foreordained by God to be the guide of them that took Jesus. Isaiah 45:5-7 (KJV) I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known...

It's both! Darkness existed before creation. God spoke into the darkness and divided it by His Light. Though it can be proven that darkness is where evil dwells, evil within God's creation did not exist until man disobeyed God and brought sin and death through sin into creation.

I agree! All that God created was created out of NOTHING! The voice of God was all that was needed for Him to intrude the darkness that covered the face of the deep and divide the darkness by His glorious Light!

I should have written that darkness is representative of sin and death that existed from the beginning of creation when God created man.

Exactly! It was through deception the serpent (symbolizing Satan) spoke to Eve that resulted in sin and death through sin entering creation. There was nothing created for the darkness to deceive until God created all that is on earth, the sea and the sky. Before the creation of the world...

I don't believe God used the pre-existing darkness. I believe He intruded/invaded the darkness dividing it with His Light!

What is this darkness upon the face of the deep that existed prior to God dividing the Light from the darkness calling them day & night? Genesis 1:2 (KJV) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

I'm not reasonable about the nature of angels or the creation and the fall? What I cannot accept is doctrine perpetuated through mythology rather than biblical truth. God did NOT make His spirit messengers called angels for the purpose of ministering to the heirs of salvation, only to have...

Where does it say the darkness that was upon the face of the deep was created by God? It says only that God divided the light from the darkness. Genesis 1:1-4 (KJV) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the...

I agree! All things exist including Satan who has always been evil, through the providence and power of God.

God tells us He creates darkness & evil. Is the prophet telling us the darkness before creation was created by God? And why does the prophet say that God creates evil? All who are of God are called the light of the world, and the wicked are known as children of the darkness and night, yet...

The Bible tells us that out of darkness & nothingness all that God created is very good. Why did God make a Covenant with mankind before the foundation of the earth saying, He would provide Himself the Lamb slain from before creation of the earth, sea and sky? The fact that darkness existed...

What is it you believe I should reconsider. What have I said that cannot be biblically supported?

Was Paul really saying believers will judge angels of God? What would we judge them for? Did God make His angel ministering spirits of those who are heirs of salvation then discover they cannot be trusted to do God's bidding? That makes no sense. We shall be judges of those who call...

When I came back into this discussion, I had resolved myself to reply to some posts and simply ignore others. I came back in because I believe my replies might be beneficial to some who read here. Even if they will of little doubt continue to greatly annoy some who cannot accept Satan was...

Angels are not among the elect of God. The elect of God are not spirit beings, the elect of God are man who are chosen from mankind to the inheritance of eternal life. The function of the ministering spirits; angels of God is to minister to the heirs of salvation, the elect according to grace...

Is it angels of God, spirits that come with Him when He comes again, or is it messengers of God, spirits of men made perfect who are with Him in heaven after physical death? Or is it both the heavenly hosts who are His ministering spirits and the perfect spirits of just men who both come with...

I'm in agreement with you Marty regarding the mark of the beast. I don't view it as a literal mark either, but mark symbolizing ownership by Satan in the same way being sealed of the Spirit of Christ in not literal but symbolizes ownership by Christ.

Everyone knows that unrepentance through unbelief that continues up to physical death means that person is altogether lost in unbelief. But blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is singled out because it is more than unrepentant sin that leads to death. It is specifically attributing the POWER of God...

Paul blasphemed, denying Jesus worked through the POWER of God in Him. But it was forgiven Paul because he did it in ignorance and unbelief. He repented of his blasphemy and received grace. All who blaspheme against the POWER (Holy Spirit) working in man, like Paul, can still be forgiven if...