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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    So, all believers are but by choice. This context is NOT about future believers, but speaking directly to twelve men ONLY. You can keep saying this but scripture if read without biased blinders categorically disagrees with your view. there is absolutely no, mention directly or indirectly that...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    You are confused to say the least. Just how do you come to that conclusion. Man has no will, what he does will be held accountable. The you say he willingly sinned in disobedient. You need to figure out the meaning of words here. You cannot have it both ways. Then you say this sin was...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    By your view, and quite obviously, you have no understanding of the ramifications of your theory. Regarding man. We are not free from His Sovereignty. However in His Sovereign will He created us to be free will creatures. We can freely either love or hate our creator. God is not forcing us to...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    It is not free from His purpose, which was to create a being that could freely love. That works according to His Purpose. But God did not create robots. You have to explain how your version permits God to judge mankind for their deeds, if it is God who controls those deeds. How is that...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    Based on scripture that would be impossible. God wanted union with all men. He is calling all men to repentance. Yet, many men reject Him. No place in scripture does it say God rejected any human being from coming to Him. There would be no hell if God compelled man's will to believe and then...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Christ's Cross work, the Incarnation, did NOT produce any believers, what you call converts. Converts cannot happen until man believes, is baptized, that is more accurately called regeneration, but conversion would suffice. By Christ's death and resurrection He accomplished two things, tasted...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I don't follow your twist here. If Christ is the seed, and He dies and rises from the ground, resurrection, How do you get that Christ who is the seed, shall serve himself. The fruit was resurrection from the dead, and atonement for sin. There is no mention of Christ raising believers in John...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    His Sovereign purpose was to create what we know as a human being, (man) and created him in His Image. God's purpose was to create an being that would love Him, glorify Him, commune with Him and live in harmony with Him. If that is what God wants and desires, He could not have created a robot...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    First, Christ does not have a spiritual resurrection. Never heard of such a thing. Those in heaven now, don't have a body at all. They are living souls. Christ's second coming is still future, so no one has a physical body yet that have died. All the dead will be raised. There will be an order...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    The first 6 vs are not addressing believers, except they are part of mankind. Vs 5 is where the very clear distinction is made. Vs 1 is addressing mankind again. All of mankind was dead in sins and trespasses. We already know that all men have been made alive by His Incarnation and...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    The whole chapter is directed exclusively to the disciples. It does not include salvation, no where dies it say this in all of scripture. Even in John 17, which is Christ's pastoral prayer there are four things He prays for. vs 1-5 He is praying for Himself. vs 6-19 He is praying for His...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    That is what my Bible says in very plain English. I Cor 15: 20-22. The context before I Cor 15:12-19 is speaking of all dead. Who do you know that has never died? Your statement denies what scripture says and also denies the Incarnation. This is very explicitly stated in I Cor 15:12-19. If it...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Funny, you don't read with much comprehension. I have already told you what the fruit is.
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Christ, the whole text is about Christ. He will die, and the fruit of His resurrection is life to all mankind and a sacrifice for sin, for every man. How great is that? From all of mankind, He will call all to repentance and preserve a Church, the elect, to believe and have union with Him.
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    They are counted among those that were dead. Mankind, all mankind has been made alive. I Cor 15:21-22. these are equations. The first statement is equal to the second. Just as Rom 5:19-20. You are conflating being made righteous by faith. This discussion is wholly about the Incarnation...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Jesus is referring to Himself. But the fruit is life to the world. How great is that? Your citation does not say however, that Christ converted people from the Cross. In fact the next vs 25 speaks directly against your view again. If Christ converted a person from the Cross, it would be done...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    The use of the word "many " does not change the effect. He is saying it another way. It means the same otherwise you have a conumdrum in that ONLY many died through Adam, but many also did not die through Adam. same thing, there is a difference though between Adam and Christ. In Adam' case...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I know you are very confused on the issue. Your theology denies the Incarnation by making it a conversion which happens at baptism, not as a result of the Incarnation. Do you understand why God created man? Do you understand the effects of Adam's sin upon that creation? Do you understand that...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Why did you change the whole context. Most of the chapter I Cor 15 does not even refer to believers but the work of Christ through His Incarnation which has nothing to do with believers, but Christ reconciling the world back to God. Stay on point.
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    Yes and no. In scripture the ALL, and I don't believe there is an exception, at least at this point I know of none, that the All is constrained in any way. It always means what it says plainly. Rom 5:7-8 Christ died for the ungodly, sinners. Who do you know that was godly and did not sin in...