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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Produces physical life. It refers to the resurrection that will occur in the last day, I Cor 15:53. If you want the word "conversion" Ok, if it means from physical death to physical life What you need it to say is eternal life which is does not. It has no reference to believers whatsoever. But...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    quite the opposite, I have stated that man cannot do what Christ accomplished. I have never even hinted that man's work will save man from death and sin. Yes, precisely Christ saved us, past tense, so that we might live unto Him in obedience which is being able to do good works. We are in our...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Yes they are, however, You are not following the logic of your view. If you state that Rom 5:18-19 means that the ALL MEN, MANY means believers, then all men, many have been made believers. There can be no unbelievers. I clearly recall your statement that many will go to hell for their...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I agree with the first part, the all men does refer to the many, it is just another way of saying it. But the life that was given is NOT ones spiritual life or what you call new birth. If that were actually correct, then all men (many) all would become believers by your second clause. Our new...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    You are conflating what Christ accomplished and man's response to that work. Christ redeemed, reconciled, justified, made right the world back to God. This had to be done first, otherwise nothing changes, Man would still be under the condemnation of death through Adam, and God would not be able...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    No, adversary of your theory. The Truth, you have not touched. it is alien to scripture on many levels,
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    My guess is that you selected this verse hopefully showing that Christ died ONLY for some. You probably use the second clause of the 19th verse to support your view, that it does not say ALL but many. I hate to burst your bubble. You slipped past versed 18 where the word all is used to show...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    A lot of men have claimed they teach gospel truth. If you counted them up, there would be hundreds of them. There were several already in Paul's day and he addresses their error. That you claim your personal interpretation is gospel truth assuredly makes it very questionable. Especially since...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    Your logic stuns me, let alone how you manipulate scripture. If God was going to subject the earth to corruption, don't you think He would have the power to so declare it? But, He created man for the sole purpose to have communion with God, freely. Why would He create a robot as if God needs...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    So, your bible has only a couple of texts that you use and they don't need to be consistent with the rest of scripture? You impose your personal interpretation on a couple of them and discard the rest? Especially if they don't fit your interpretation, or more likely you actually don't...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    By virtue of the Incarnation Christ did save all men from death and sin. It cannot be otherwise since He took on our human nature to restore it to what it was in the beginning. It is why He is called the Second Adam. He reversed the first Adam. That is what the texts I cited loudly proclaim...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    If you insist not explaining the texts or answering the questions, I must assume you cannot do so. I don't use my criteria. I use scriptural criteria and years of studying biblical theology that has stood the test of time and has been held by Christians for 2000 years. When man begins to insert...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    So you say, but you have failed to explain your view within the scriptural framework. You failed to respond once again to the texts I asked you to study and respond. You don't understand your own view enough to explain it, such as how it fits in with the scriptural understanding of the...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    It means precisely that He desires all to be saved without exception. Rom 5:18 says it clearly, while we were sinners Christ died for us. That's all men as far as I have ever understood. All but Christ have sinned. Also II Pet 3:9. His universal defeat of death and sin, makes it possible for...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    Yes, but you missed the whole purpose of why Christ came, was needed because man could not do what Christ accomplished. He didn't just love this world, He reconciled it to God. Without Christ redeeming work, the salvation of individuals through faith would be in vain. Read carefully this text...
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    The Atonement misnomer of Sufficient for all, efficient for some

    First, I'm not the one using the word "all". In the citations, all means all expressly every single human being who ever will live on this earth. Paul is precisely saying He died for every human, He reconciled the world Col 1:20, II Cor 5:18-19. He tasted death for all men, Heb 2:9, as well as...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    more gibberish. nothing close to an explanation of your view. I'm not the one resisting Truth. Explain just how this works theologically. You have yet to address the texts cited, I wonder why? You have not explained how believers can sin when God controls man's will. Explain the Incarnation...
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    Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

    You are correct that a promise is given for keeping His command. The command is to believers, but you don't hold the view that mankind has a will that is free, independent from that of God's will. So, by your view, God is giving Himself a command to seek His own kingdom. You need to explain just...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    You keep repeating this bland statement which says nothing. You cannot, theologically even explain just how this might be accomplished. Your saying so says nothing. You never address the texts I cite. You may disagree but you can never explain why you might disagree. Here are actually true...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Did you read the whole of Rom 6. the baptism chapter Baptism may be a ritual but it has salvic consequences. It is the spiritual death of our spiritual nature, and being raised from that water is a spiritual resurrection by which we put on Christ. This is the beginning of the new birth, it is...