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  1. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    All we have to do is get rid of Psalm 28, at least verse 6, and we can still have a trinity. No reason to let one little verse get in the way of 2,000 years of tradition. :)
  2. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I think it was their bias. They did whatever they could to promulgate the trinity.
  3. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I think a big part of the problem with John 20:20 is that it is often read with a modern Western mindset, not realizing that when Jesus walked this earth the word "god" had an entirely different meaning to those people. We think of the word "god" and the only thing that comes to mind is the god...
  4. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I'm with you on the KJV. If you noticed, that's were 99% of my quotes come from. At least they are honest enough to put the words they added in italics. A good example of that is right in 1 Corinthians 12:1. They let the reader know the the word "gifts" is not really in the original text. Still...
  5. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I think this is about the 6th time you've sent this message. I don't mind, but I thought you might want to know. :)
  6. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    How do you account for different English translations of the same Greek word? There are tons of examples of that in the many versions we have today. And yet, Psalm 12:6 says God purified each word seven times. The fact is we don't have even one document that Moses, Isaiah, John, Paul, or any of...
  7. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Yes, I am guilty of reading the scriptures as a simple child. I've not yet learned to complicate it with the convolution of words and ideas required by the trinity. I did at one time, but those days are long gone. Obviously you and I have strong disagreements on this front, but I hope you know...
  8. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Here's what I said: "Jesus prayed that we would all be one with him and the Father. Are we then to think we are all God? I don't think so. Have you ever read something like, "the crowd was one in their objection to..." We all know what that means. We all know it means many people shared the...
  9. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    It's irrelevant as to whether two or more people agree on something or not. They are still two or more people, or in case of God and Jesus, two people. That much the trinity says, but then the doctrine necessitates we add, "they are not three, but one..." Doing that makes the words "three" and...
  10. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well, in a sense suppose you are correct in saying that I am reading these verses from preconceived idea. But where did I get that idea? 1 Cor 12:4-7, 4 διαιρεσεις δε χαρισματων εισιν το δε αυτο πνευμα 5 και (and) διαιρεσεις διακονιων εισιν και ο αυτος κυριος 6 και (and) διαιρεσεις...
  11. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I challenge you to find anything I've said that violates the rules of logic. On the other hand, I can see one right here: "though individual, they are one." Presumably the individual refers to, 1) God, 2) Jesus, 3) the Holy Spirit. That's 3 different people. It defies logic, grammar, common...
  12. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    You're sure you are sure? :) Carrying on a "new thought" from verse 7? Then it's not a "new thought" at all. It's either carrying on the same thought as verse 4 or a different thought. It can't be a new thought carrying on from the same thought. It's either the same thought or a new thought. It...
  13. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Not once we aver, "...So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty..." ~ Athanasian Creed ~ If we accept that then no need to make sense with anything else. Anything goes, but it does not go. What???? :)
  14. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I think you may be getting hung up on the word "gifts" while not seeing the significance of the words "spiritual matters" (Greek pneumaticos) from verse 1. Paul tells us in verse 1 that he is going to speak about spiritual matters, not just gifts. He is also going to talk about administrations...
  15. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I agree with you 100% that everything we get from God is a gift, but not all gifts are the same. Last Christmas I got many gifts but they were all quite different. Let's look at the context. I'm not ignoring it at all. In fact, context is what I believe builds my case. First of all, it must be...
  16. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I've asked countless individuals who the God and Father of God is. So far no answer that makes 1 ounce of sense.
  17. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Actually it's the Greek texts that have variants. There are some that say, "...which he hath purchased with his own blood." Others say, "...which he hath purchased with the blood of his own." How do we decide which is the more likely text? To start with, it is important that we don't build an...
  18. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Did you spend any time at all looking at textual variants of Acts 20:28? They are most definitely there. As I said, even most trinitarian scholars acknowledge that. They have to, because there are in fact textual variants there. In any case, whatever Acts says, it must agree with 1 Cor 8:6 and...
  19. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, I certainly don't blame you for wasting time. I think it would be a huge waste of time trying to prove anything I said is wrong.
  20. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Why would Stephen praying to God make him God? 1Tim 2:5, For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Here Jesus is called both a mediator and a man. A mediator stands between two parties, in this case people and God. The very fact Jesus stands between...