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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    Im finished with you for right now, I did take time to explain my view
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    CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

    @Logikos Its reasonably implied by your statement here: Care to explain ?
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    It doesnt say it isnt the elect.
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    Christs Spiritual seed must first bear the image of the earthy natural, then they must bear the image of the Spiritual, as they were first born in time of the corruptible fallen adamic, they likewise after must be born of the incorruptible last Adam, thats appropriate to their being conformed to...
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    Lol it doesnt deny it. Its about the saved believing world of the elect
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    They were saved premised on Christ the Lamb of God slain from the foundation Rev 13:8 thats why He had to die, to pay their debt, which saved them.
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    CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

    Again they dont believe because they were never Sheep, Christ died for His Sheep, so they believe, the non elect will be sent a strong delusion to believe a lie, their freewill cant help them not believe a lie
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    Jn 3:16-17 is the elect of all nations
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    CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

    @Logikos So they could go to heaven without Christ having saved them, correct Also they wont be part of this society Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    Christ died only for the saved, the damned God created them as vessels of wrath to damn them for their sins
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    CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

    They don't believe the truth because they were not Christ Sheep Jn 10:26 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
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    CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

    Someone under strong delusion by God does not have freewill to believe the Gospel
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    Christ though He is God, yet He is Man and as Man He was faithful to God and believers are His Seed, but they are not born believers yet they shall be born again into believers because they are His Seed, spiritual seed
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    CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

    God sends men a string delusion to believe a lie, can freewill reverse that ? You probably say yes
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    Understanding and Believing the Gospel

    You condition salvation on something man does, thats works
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    Christ was a believe in God, He prayed to God. You think He prayed without having Faith in God and His Promises ? The elect are Christs Spiritual seed, even though they are born naturally like all others, there comes a time when they are made believers, given Faith so that they are manifested as...
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    CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

    It is a lie. If God sends one a strong delusion to believe a lie, do they have freewill to counter that and believe the truth ? I say NO what say you
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    That Christ only died for the saved is evil ?
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    Christ didn't die for all men, only the saved
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    Total depravity is True and men can be saved, by a Saviour !