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    Time frames we have to work with

    I guess it depends on what you think something being fulfilled looks like. Some people have to have the literal waters on earth turning to literal blood before they are going to admit the second bowl of wrath is fulfilled, as an example. When looking at past fulfillments, Jesus himself didn’t...
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    Time frames we have to work with

    None of them, Satans little season ends when Christ returns but exactly how long that little season lasts isn’t known.
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    Time frames we have to work with

    Revelation 8:1 silence in heaven for about the space of half an hour. Revelation 17:12 receive power as kings one hour with the beast. There is also eternity, which isn’t a period of time that ends. So certain things that are eternal can’t end. For example the Daniel 9:24 everlasting...
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    A Great Conservative Study Bible using the ESV that is ANTI-dispensational

    The OG I quoted was from a different website but I like the one you have linked, it gives a side by side. Very good.
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    A Great Conservative Study Bible using the ESV that is ANTI-dispensational

    I don’t think the Old Greek is the LXX, although I’m not well studied on the various translations. From the internet the Old Greek was the earliest translation of the Hebrew Bible, it was made in Alexandria Egypt for the use of the Greek speaking Jewish community there. I’m in agreement with...
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    A Great Conservative Study Bible using the ESV that is ANTI-dispensational

    I see you’re using the Apocrypha to better understand verses in the canon. Some time ago I had a brief discussion with someone about using the Old Greek to better understand the controversial verses in Daniel 9:26-27. What are your thoughts on using something like the Old Greek as a deciding...
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    What do you mean by not being literal (literally happening on earth) or spiritual? For example the star of Bethlehem, it was a literal astronomical object or event that can be argued as being only a spiritual event. An argument could be made that only the magi were able to see the star...
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    All this is interesting and I’ll keep these things in mind. Have you tried to see if any other events can be seen in the sky? For example the abomination of desolation, would this have been something that a person could’ve seen in the night sky as an indication of when to flee?
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    Alright, if the sign of the Son of man is an astrological sign then this sign was also seen previously, correct? Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas...
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    To clarify your view, then you see the Matthew 24:31 gathering of the elect taking place on an individual basis, as each Jew died? Or a single event taking place on a specific day? What historical event that took place in 115 AD qualified as a fulfillment of Matthew 24:37-44? I can’t argue...
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    Yea, I can see that as a possibility, I tend to look at things in terms of probability. There are some eschatological views that I think are impossible and there are others that are possible but I assign low probabilities due to various verses that can’t be explained if that particular...
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    I watched the video, it was very interesting and really is just comparing facts. This is the kind of thing I can appreciate. Here’s where I’m going to have an issue though, when we come to New Heaven New Earth we have no need of sun or moon as seen in Revelation 21:23 and Isaiah 60:19-20. I...
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    I took a look at Orion in the Bible and Orion <3685> kesil, is found in Isaiah 13:10, Amos 5:8, Job 9:9, and Job 38:31. Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For...
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    I personally don’t think the sign is an astronomical event that can be deciphered but here’s what I think about the voice John hears behind him. In Revelation 1:10 John was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard a voice behind him. In Revelation 1:12 John turns to see the voice, and being...
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    Thanks for taking the time to post all of this. You’ve given me a lot to think about.
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    I’m interested, what other thoughts do you have on this?
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    Alright, I know sometimes not everything seems to fit and we have to step back and not focus on the minor details. My thoughts were that the Son of man is revealed to the Jews who were blind in part until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. I think the fullness of the Gentiles came in when...
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    Ok, fair enough. What are your thoughts on Luke 17:30-31 where it says the Son of man is revealed on the same day that they should flee? Do you think this revealing could be the sign of the Son of man in Matthew 24:30?
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    Absolutely agree, thanks for post that.
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    What is the "SIGN" of the Son of Man - Poll

    So then is that the verse in Daniel that is being used for the sign of the Son of man coming to earth or is there another verse in Daniel that points to Jesus coming back to earth with clouds?