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Not true. In the early Church, before Constantine, there were some men (Docetism, Montanism, Adoptism, Gnostism etc etc) who broke away from The Church because they disagreed with the teachings of The Church. So those "divergent voices in teh {sic} church" that you speak of were on in the...

If you already know that the teachings of Luther and Calvins teachings are different than the early fathers then how can you suggest that their teachings were getting back to the roots of the Apostles? That makes no sense.....

Hello PinSeeker, You are incorrect sir/mam. The Protestant Reformers did in FACT teach different than the early fathers. Calvin taught there was no free will. The early fathers taught there was. Calvin and Zwingili did not teach/believe in the Real Presence. Martin Luther...

Hello PinSeeker, As I stated in that post that you quoted: I consider the "early fathers" as the Apostolic Fathers or fathers that lived close to their lifetime. Mary

@Augustin56 is correct. If you knew your own Christian history, you would know that.

Fascinating......You trust God to give YOU the truth but you don't trust God has given others the truth? That is how I read your statement.......Am I wrong in my interpretation of your statement?

Thanks for your opinion, Matthew. I will adhere to Scripture. It is logical that a Christian must "subject themselves to learn and grow in knowledge" but that does not take away from the teachings of The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim. 3:15), and is the final...

Hey Ronald, Your theory intrigues me. Who was God leading and guiding during the Reformation? Martin Luther? Zwingili? The Catholic Church? Calvin? See how your theory falls apart with that one simple question? No, The Church wasn't a mess in the 1st century. There were men who rejected the...

Hey Ronald, Do you disagree with 1 Timothy 3:15 and Matthew 18:17? But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto...

I have found that Church. Have you?

Soooo you, MatthewG, read the bible and interpret various passages from the bible to teach XYZ. Do you accept what you taught yourself as the truth? Or do you reference anyone else's teachings from the last 2,000 years on those passages to further your knowledge and maybe get you to think...

Peter's and Paul's foretold warnings came true on a grand scale. It's called the Protestant Reformation. That is what I have "factored in". Does that answer your question, Scott? Christ started The Church. That Church has taught the Truth of 2,000 years. I have found that Church. Have you?

Hey Ronald, Just some clarification here with biblical accuracy: The Bereans, who were Jews, were told by Paul and Silas that Jesus was the promised Messiah. That occurred about 30 years after the death of Christ. The Bereans then checked the OT scripture against what Paul and Silas had told...

Why? Because they lived closest to the time of Christ/Apostles and some were students of the Apostles. Why trust Protestant Reformers if they teach different than the early fathers? PS: I consider the "early fathers" as the Apostolic Fathers or fathers that lived close to their lifetime.

Oh goodness F2F......What shall I do now? :IDK: Waiting for your guidence.....Mary

1. I didn't "ask" anything. I quoted your own Christian history. 2. The Church came "into being" in NT times (Matthew 16:18, 18:17 1 Timothy 3:15). I, Marymog, found that Church that Jesus started. You are still searching for it and you deny it. 3. I quoted the earliest records Christianity has...

Tertullian, in The Demurrer Against the Heretics (A.D. 200), noted of Rome, “How happy is that church . . . where Peter endured a passion like that of the Lord, where Paul was crowned in a death like John’s [referring to John the Baptist, both he and Paul being beheaded].” In the same book...

WE must get BACK into the bible for ourselves and get anyone and everyone else you can back into that book and RIGHT NOW so as they can learn for themselves. ALL I did was try and get folks back into the bible this is what we must all do now. We need TO GET back into the bible and be refreshed...

Hey, we agree. Jesus inherited His mortal flesh from Mary, not His divinity. You are one step closer to becoming Catholic. :csm Scripture says to us mere sinful mortals here on earth, “Ask, and it will be given to you". But your men taught you that Jesus wouldn't obey his sinless mother who is...

I believe you. You probably did say it. Just not on this thread. :gd None the less whether you or I believe that Mary sinned or didn't sin, it doesn't affect our salvation. I believe that something pure and sinless (Jesus) cannot be born from something impure and sinful (Mary). Mary