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  1. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    What! Still no Bible references! Acts 17:11 (WEB): (11) Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. If the Bereans did not even take the apostle's...
  2. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    You're not seeing any deception?! :eek: Psalms 146:4 tells us: (4) His spirit departs, and he returns to the earth. In that very day, his thoughts perish. When we die our thoughts cease - we become unconscious, or as Jesus describes it, it is like a deep sleep. Therefore Samuel could not...
  3. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    You still haven't said where in the Bible it teaches that anyone will ever be separated from God. Where does it say that God will do that? You should not teach anything that is not supported by the Bible, and if it is supported by the Bible you should tell us where, or else no sensible person...
  4. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Please give a Bible verse(s) reference when quoting the Bible. You were quoting 1 Samuel 28:19, although the word "here" wasn't in any translation that I looked in: (19) Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy...
  5. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Please don't change what I wrote when you quote me. I did not write "God's destruction", I wrote "your destruction". God cannot be destroyed because he is immortal. Jesus was a spirit, and he died. Revelation 1:18 (WEB): (18) and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever...
  6. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I also earlier pointed out that the lake of fire and sulphur is symbolic of utter detruction. Nothing exists after it has been symbolically thrown into it. What would be the point of Satan and demons/fallen angels being thrown into a literal lake of fire? They are spirit beings so fire has no...
  7. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Where in the Bible does it mention people/angels being forever separated from God? Where do you get that idea from? It is not possible for you to be separated from God, except by your destruction. Psalms 139:1-12 (WEB): (1) For the Chief Musician. A Psalm by David. Yahweh, you have searched...
  8. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Paul said, Hebrews 13:2 (WEB): (2) Don’t forget to show hospitality to strangers, for in doing so, some have entertained angels without knowing it.
  9. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    They are not physical beings, so obviously they can't have a physical death, but they can die. As Paul says of God in 1 Timothy 6:16 (WEB), "who alone has immortality". God is immortal, but the other spirit beings are not. The possibility of anyone other than God gaining immortality was only...
  10. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    No. I speak and understand English (I am English). Your abbreviations, acronyms, or whatever, are not part of the English language, and so I don't understand it. Yes, that sounds silly. The sound made from something moving does not imply that whatever is moving must be alive. You don't need...
  11. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    In Genesis 3:24 it says God "placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life". People assume that means it was to prevent Adam and Eve (and all their offspring) from accessing the tree of life, but it could mean...
  12. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    What does "ty" mean? Your posts are almost unintelligible. In post #397 you wrote: That certainly seems like you said the devil was dead.
  13. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    That will be too late for you, because if you think the devil is dead then you won't be taking notice of Peter's admonition -1 Peter 5:8-9 (WEB): (8) Be sober and self-controlled. Be watchful. Your adversary, the devil, walks around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. (9)...
  14. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Why don't you write in English instead of acronyms, abbreviations and slang. You're not communicating very clearly. ("iow" should be "in other words" (?), "orig" should be "original", "prolly" is not a proper English word - it should be "probably", "i" should be "I", etc.). You should not...
  15. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I don't know. Why don't you ask one. Why is everyone here assuming that everyone else who has a different understanding of Scripture to them must be a JW? I'm not a JW either!
  16. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Matthew 10:28 (WEB): (28) Don’t be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. The Greek word that is here translated as "destroy" is apollumi, which Strong's Concordance says means "to destroy...
  17. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I don't think the "forever" was ever under discussion. We were discussing what it is that is forever - death for eternity, or torture for eternity. What does "wadr" mean? :confused: Where in the Bible does it say that the devil/Satan is not alive? It says (in Revelation 20) that he will be...
  18. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I second that.
  19. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Who was that in response to? It's not a very helpful comment! If you think that you know what that verse means then why don't you share that knowledge with us? Saying that 'I know what you don't know, but I'm not going to help you find out what that is', is not a loving Christian attitude...
  20. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    No! You were not paying attention! I said, "I'll include an article about this parable that I downloaded from the Internet about 22 years ago (but it doesn't appear to be available anymore)". If I had written it then I would not have needed to download it from the Internet, and the comment...