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Sorry wrong way round. Not His essence.

Partaking of His nature of essence not His energy. The term is .misunderstood.

Paul is encouraging his readers to go on to perfection not admonishing the already holy

Brothers, you won't see it in a scripture unless you are hungering for holiness like you are starving to death.

I had met Christians for the first time in my life who let me loose in their library. I prayed to God one evening that He would show me if what l was reading was true when suddenly l knew He had died for me on the cross and His presence filled room as o gave my life to Him. That was 50 years ago.

When l first came to Christ, after a profound encounter, l was taught that l was born again and all of the Evangelical stuff which l believed . It was after the baptism that l discovered the difference. It was revealed in scripture then later by the experience of other cessationists.

More later.

The doing it was in perfect submission regarding the subject of the crisis that l had been led into. Oswald Chambers calls it, giving up the right to ourselves. It is right through scripture culminating at Pentecost. No gifts. That was for that period. Fruit though, in abundance.

Yes.

The process of sanctification taking place for 17 years to a point where I was done, finished and down in the dust with my efforts to be the Christian I wanted to be. Then God revealed to me how to do it or rather how to not do it - trusting in Christ for my sanctification. Then it happened.

I came to Christ 50 years ago, and was born again in the Spirit 17 years later, 45 years before finding the ECF.

Absolutely the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth of scripture showing us that what has been taught to us directly is from God.

Yes when does Spirit baptism occur is the basis of it. I thought that it had happened when I first came to Christ but found it had not. Baptism of the Spirit means fruit of the Spirit in the fullness thereof not bits of it.

No certainly not. I didn't. I found their teachings later and it all lined up with my own theology.

What you quoted applies to you Johann. I have studied western theologies for a long long time.

I base my theology on early teachings on spirituality before Augustine who ruined the western church, but have read extremely widely regarding spirituality. You cannot just read a few of the early church teachers over a few months to grasp this spirituality.

Indeed. We are to eat of the tree of life. But when that occurs for us is the big question.

It is not making doctrine from personal experience but the guidelines are useful. I can quote loads of texts and have done so with some, but you will interpret them according to your theology and indeed your own experience. Revelation is needed.

Sorry I was not clear obviously. I meant the creation of the first man, upgraded to holiness rather than innocence, of which creation we are to be in this life not the next.

Yes Johann I thought as much. You just want to defend your indoctrination.