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That's ridiculous, sorry. Have you ever seen a Jew who believed that Genesis speaks of a multiple God? Trinitarians have gone to too much trouble in their eagerness to find something in the bible to support that erroneous doctrine they inherited from apostate Christendom after the 2nd century...

That is not the correct reading of the story. You are denying exactly what Jesus is clearly saying. It is clearly about pre-existence. That is not the correct understanding of the clear statements of Jesus about his pre-existence. There is another thread I opened about it. You're more than...

There is not any triune-Godhead among the original Christian teachings. The first Christians were Jews. We are talking about the apostles, including Matthew, Peter and John, the family of Jesus, including his half-brothers James and Jude, and also about Paul, who had been a fervent Pharisee. A...

Back in topic: ANSWER HERE: John 2:13 Now the Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 He found in the temple those selling cattle and sheep and doves, and the money brokers in their seats. 15 So after making a whip of ropes, he drove all those with the sheep and...

You seem to be angry too. Since I don't like to talk to angry people, I'll temporarily send you to make him company in my ignore list. Bye. :quitit

I don't like personal conflict when I talk about the Scriptures, so to avoid it, I'll put you on my ignore list. Welcome to the existential void. :Lockedthread Bye. :waves:

You seem to be very angry because managers of this website allow posters to discuss this topic. Just relax. If you are so sure of that doctrine, you may have a lot of chances to prove it with the Scriptures. Don't take it personal, because if you are wrong, it will benefit you, if others are...

I think he did when he said: John 10:36 do you say to me (...) ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?” He is saying something like: I NEVER SAID I WAS GOD, BUT I AM GOD'S SON. But you do prefer to focus on what those Jews said instead of what Jesus answered them.

Nah, that is an interpretation, not a translation. This is the dialog in a correct translation: John 8:56 "Abraham YOUR father rejoiced greatly in the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 Therefore the Jews said to him: “You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have...

And what did Jesus tell them? John 10:34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified— 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the...

Did you check Jesus side of the story? John 10:34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified— 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into...

Does it say "always existed"? :oops:

The same word is used here: Rev. 3:9 Look! I will make those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews yet are not, but are lying—look! I will make them come and bow before your feet and make them know that I have loved you. Do you think Jesus will make "fake Jews" to worship true...

Are you talking about what those liar Jews, who used false witnesses in a religious trial, said?

Uh, yes. It means that, but not in the sense you thought before. Otherwise: would be Christians "totally God" for being filled with the fullness of Jesus, who is filled with the fullness of God? Logical transference, my friend, is a natural process of thinking rationally.

Some examples of the use of the same word translated "worship" (all the time) by some translators: The astrologers who came from the east (Matt. 2:2,11); Peter and the others in the boat when Jesus calms the waves and the wind and walks on the sea (Matt. 14:33); the two women when he appears to...

Do you think Jesus believed he had been in heaven before he was born as a human, or not? John 16: 27(...) ὑμεῖς ἐμὲ πεφιλήκατε __ you for me had affection καὶ πεπιστεύκατε __ and you have believed ὅτι ἐγὼ παρὰ [τοῦ] θεοῦ ἐξῆλθον. __ that I came from the side of God. 28 ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ πατρὸς...

Thanks. So now you know that "fullness" doesn't mean what you thought before.

And, if don't honor the Father, are you really honoring the Son? Matt. 7:21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not...

From Jesus' point of view, who was the God being worshipped in the temple in Jerusalem?