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The day of the Lord is first defined in the Old Testament. The OT knows nothing of the Great Tribulation, just the Tribulation. Dan 9 gives us the time period of 7 years.

I cut and pasted this from Wikipedia. I have read a different story on Blandina, but this will give you most of her story. The traditional account regarding Blandina is reported by Eusebius in his Historia Ecclesiastica. Blandina belonged to the band of martyrs of Lyon who, after some of their...

We will not know what the Bible SAYS until we first know what the Bible IS.

I think I better just give you a translation of 2 Thes 2:1-3, maybe then you can follow what I have been saying all along: Now concerning the arrival of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together with him (the Rapture), we ask you all not to be easily shaken from your composure or...

I was really hoping to get someone who can defend their position. Will anyone else give this question a try?

There is nothing new in this brief post. I am just looking for how non Pre-Tribbers arrive at the meaning of APOSTASIA. A point of linguistics can help us better understand the noun APOSTASIA. The noun takes its meaning/usage from the verb. In this case, the cognate verb is AFISTHMI...

Jack, The answer to this is the same answer for why a serious bible student doesn't learn the original languages.

This is a darn good question: "Can you just answer one question, though? What do you think would be the reason that Paul mentioned the rapture in 2 Thess 2:1 if none of the rest of the chapter has anything to do with the rapture?"

I want to clarify something I have found when studying the Judgment Seat of Christ. Most, if not all, commentators state that the BEMA seat was a raised platform at the Olympic Games where the winners were give their rewards for winning a contest by Judges. I just want to point out that there...

discessĭo , ōnis, f. discedo. I. (Very rarely), a separation of married persons, Ter. And. 3, 3, 36; “of the people into parties (with seditio),” Gell. 2, 12: “stellarum et discessiones et coetus,” separations and conjunctions, id. 14, 1, 8; cf.: “plebei a patribus, et aliae dissensiones,”...

What I contend is that you are saying, "the apostasia/rapture occurs before the rapture." More clearly, you are saying that the rapture occurs before the rapture.

I took this brief article out of my Archives; not sure when I wrote it but it was more than 10 years ago I don’t know why, but sometimes I just gotta say something, and this is one of those times. I’m upset so I’ll keep it very brief lest I let the sun go down on my anger. I was driving home...

Below is a dramatic account of a man named Polycarp, a friend of the Apostle John himself. On the fateful day described below (somewhere near the year 150 AD), Polycarp was asked to renounce Christ in exchange for his life. Unmoved by the threat of death, Polycarp, having received his...

The Latin word used in the Vulgate is discessio, which means departure. Departure was the word used to describe the Rapture until the KJV introduced a new translation.

LSJ ἀπο-στᾰσία, ἡ, late form for ἀπόστασις, defection, revolt, v.l. in D.H.7.1, J.Vit.10, Plu.Galb.1; esp. in religious sense, rebellion against God, apostasy, LXX Jo.22.22, 2 Ep.Th.2.3. 2. departure, disappearance, Olymp. in Mete.320.2. 3. distinguishing, c. gen., Elias in Cat.119.7. 4...

A rose by any other name is still a rose. (What’s in a name?) The following verses appear in rapid succession in the gospel of Matthew. The events are just moments apart. The scene is a familiar one. Notice carefully how the two groups (Roman soldiers and religious Jewish leaders) refer to...

Marks wrote: "Look at how they viewed, or were required to view their caesars, as gods" The Caesars were given the title god, but they were very distant and impersonal. But you bring out a good point. you wrote: "Have you examined all the places either of these words are used, and compared...

One of the most famous events in ancient history was the assassination of Gaius Julius Caesar on the Ides of March in 44 BC. Some 200 years later, a Roman historian named Dion Cassius, described the funeral that followed. Of particular interest was this sentence he penned: “You loved him as...

Yes, the Second Coming is after the Tribulation

you say the apostasia cant be the rapture, and i am saying that the apostasia is the rapture. And, the day of the Lord (i.e. the Tribulation) cant come until the rapture happens first. If you like the last word, you can reply to this, but I will move on.