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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    And here we go again with the able versus unable thing. You're missing the point, SI. The natural condition, the condition from birth, of the human heart, because of the consequences of Adam's sin, is to be wholly inclined against God. For unbelievers, the reason they have no excuse is that...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I'm not even sure what you mean by this. You seem to have some sort of... well, issue, or axe to grind, or something, but I can't really put my finger on it... maybe that God somehow "forces His will on humans." If that's the case, then what I would say is that regarding His salvation, our...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved, yes. But not all will, unfortunately... only the ones the Lord calls. As the prophet Joel says and to whom both John and Paul refer directly in John 3 and Romans 10: "And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Great! To what you have said, I'm going to start at the end first: What the struggle for agreement between all of us here, GB, is really in what sense we are talking about something being possible and not possible. So... Well, yes, it can, and it is, from strictly a humanistic perspective...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    This is really the problem. I guess we could say that, you know, the weather at any given time "determines" whether I play golf or not. And that's true, but in the event that there is thunder/lightning or it is just raining really hard, did the weather make my decision for me, thereby...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Right, I understand, but most people who have such visceral reactions to John Calvin and his theology are really reacting to Hyper-Calvinism, and they don't even realize it. Peter having the foreknowledge? You mean Jesus, right? Peter is adamant that he will never deny Christ, and his every...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    No and no; Jesus is God, and Jesus knew what Peter was going to do... Let me offer this, GB; surely you will see the parallel... The Bible was written over many years, even centuries, different parts of it written by several different people, repectively. We refer to it as God's Word, because...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Hmmmm, well I would say he did have the free will (woodenly speaking) not to deny Christ ~ certainly he chose of his own free will and accord to do what he did ~ but because of his sinful nature, the condition of his heart, he was compelled to, and thus chose to, do otherwise. The heart always...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    And, once again, back atcha... Well, okay, but you your Arminian bias... This back and forth thing is not good, I think... :) Well, as I said before, Jesus answered that Himself: "...you do not believe because you are not among my sheep" (John 10:26). To fit your narrative ~ or, rather, for...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    <chuckles> Well, we all think that about each other, right? That's kind of the genesis of debate... LOL! Well, right back atcha, SI. I avoid such... incendiary... rhetoric. Agree... :) Seems we're sort of talking past each other here, at least in this case. Yes. :) No. :) Neither...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    LOL! Well, God is God, and He can do anything, because He is God... :) But no translation ever insinuates in any way that God sometimes wishes but does not get. :) Surely you can understand wishing in at least a couple of very different contexts. The English Standard Version (ESV), which...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Continued from above... I agree, but I would switch the order. Faith, which is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8), comes first, and then our repentance inevitably follows; Paul says it's God's kindness, His grace, that leads us to repentance. And this leading us to repentance is ongoing; our...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I'm not; they do; yes, I'm an unapologetic five-point Calvinist. :) But hey, by the same token, your interpretations "match up with" Arminianism. The words of Stephen himself, and those he's speaking in the same context as, which are those of Isaiah, as I said. Well, since I cited that...
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    I think you're being a little to particular with words, which is my point to you. He's right in the way I described, although ~ you're right about this I think ~ he's taking it to a degree, it seems, that's beyond what the Scriptures say, maybe way beyond. Which of course would not be a good...
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Well, I decided to cut in, and I did it of my own free will and accord. :) I don't care. :) I'm kinda having a little fun with you, SI. Do what you want, but things are a lot better all the way around when you, you know, don't take yourself so seriously. :) Grace and peace to you.
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Okay, well I'm surprised you do. :) I wouldn't say I'm "shocked" at your concurrence, but pleasantly surprised. How about let's get off your little superiority horse ~ you get that, right? Little, and superiority, which is a misnomer of sorts, completely negating the superiority part... :) ~...
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    The Light: You are correct. I'm not mistaken. No, he/she is not lying on purpose. Lying is always a purposeful act... :) But now he/she is mistaken about not being mistaken... :) Grace and peace to all.
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    I'm... not. If you perceive it that way, that's... unfortunate. I'm actually offering a word to the wise. :) Sure, but that's not an accurate depiction of what you did, SI. Fair enough. But why not give him/her the benefit of the doubt? Or just keep it to yourself? Why call him/her a...
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Well, I would say the exact same of you. Oh, what you said was perfectly clear. However... :) It does. It does. Sure. Sure. But that's not the only place in Revelation where we see ~ or understand Jesus's return to be imminent, happening, or to have occurred. Which is starting to get at...
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Okay, I understand. "Bothered?" No, not I. I'm just saying Christians should treat other Christians in the manner you did. No need to be so defensive. I just don't think on this board anybody should be sniping at anybody, as we are all Christians. Yeah, a Christian calling another...