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  1. keithr

    Defining Proper Language

    It does in English! Like Adam, we are all dying, and we will eventually die. Romans 6:23 (WEB): (23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Matthew 8:21-22 (WEB): (21) Another of his disciples said to him, “Lord, allow me first to go...
  2. keithr

    Defining Proper Language

    I wasn't adding to God's word, I simply said that, as the KJV footnote states, the literal translation of the Hebrew is not just "die", but is "dying you shall die". I then explained that by saying it means that they started to die (dying) and that eventually they would die (you shall die)...
  3. keithr

    Defining Proper Language

    Err, I don't understand that! I said "A more precise translation", not 'the least precise translation'. No. The day they ate some fruit from the tree they began to die. It was not figurative or metaphorical language, it was a clear statement of truth. The original language stated "dying, you...
  4. keithr

    Defining Proper Language

    That's perhaps not the best example, because it's mainly down to a translation problem. A more precise translation of the Hebrew, as indicated in the KJV footnote, is "in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. [{thou shalt surely … : Heb. dying thou shalt die }]" (Genesis...
  5. keithr

    There is NO proof text in scripture.

    We really need to pay close attention to the words in the Bible, if we don't want to look like a fool, as this cartoon demonstrates:
  6. keithr

    There is NO proof text in scripture.

    But are you assuming that it was God that spoke to you, when it might not have been! I think that is why we are advising caution. It's difficult for us to know when we don't know the details of what you heard. God (or Jesus) has only directly spoken to me once, putting words into my mind...
  7. keithr

    There is NO proof text in scripture.

    Indeed. Jesus also spent time studying the Scriptures and listening to Scripture teachers. Remember the story of when he was 12 years old and he stayed behind in Jerusalem, and it took his parents about three days to find him. He was in the temple. Luke 2:46 (WEB): (46) After three days...
  8. keithr

    There is NO proof text in scripture.

    You can never know what people are thinking until they plainly state it. I thought Mungo was going to say that you need to check what you believe you heard from God against the written word of God, in case it wasn't actually from God that you heard it. Note that it isn't just God and Jesus who...
  9. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    He has existed for over 6,000 years, but he was a man only for 33.5 of those years. No man had been created before Adam. We are all descendants of Adam - adam lived before us. Nonsense. Just because God has planned and foreknew, or foresaw, what would happen thousands of years in advance...
  10. keithr

    There is NO proof text in scripture.

    You missed out the previous verses, which gives "these things" that Timothy should remind the brethren of: 2 Timothy 2:2,11-14 (WEB): (2) The things which you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit the same to faithful men, who will be able to teach others also. (11) This saying is...
  11. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    The only person to mention spiritual discernment was Paul, in 1 Corinthians 2:14. Yet Paul did not believe Jesus was God, as is evident from his writings, e.g.: 1 Corinthians 8:6 (WEB): yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ...
  12. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    So who are the at least two beings mentioned when God said "our image"? One was God. Jesus is not God, or else God would have said "I will make man in my image". Jesus was not a man when he created Adam. He wasn't "made flesh" until Mary conceived while still a virgin, around 4,000 years...
  13. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ... The "our" in that verse means that God and the person being spoken to by God must have had a similar "image". God and His Son Jesus do have the same character - and they are one in union and purpose.
  14. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    I believe that's from the NWT (New World Translation), a translation that Jehovah's Witnesses favour. If you take Jesus at his word, then he says that he is not God, but he does claim to be God's son. Jesus doesn't refer to himself as "I am"; that expression is just part of a normal sentence...
  15. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    If you've searched and found relevant verses then why don't you tell us what those verses are? I'm not going to wade through all those chapters trying to figure out what verses you were thinking support your view. There we disagree - Jesus is not God. Paul quotes from Scripture applying it...
  16. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Have you not heard of verse numbers? You're not making it easy for us - getting this out of you is like extracting teeth! You should let the light shine, not hide it under a bushel (Matthew 5:14-16). To support your statement "angels and men: do not worship me it is evil" you've generously...
  17. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    God is a spirit being (John 4:24), Adam was a man, so clearly there was no physcial likeness at all. I've always understood it to mean that mankind was made to have the same character as God (loving, righteous, just, caring, generous, wise, sense of humour, appreciation of beauty, etc.)...
  18. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Such arrogance! If you can't back up your statements with Bible verse references, then you should not make those statements. You stated: angels and men: do not worship me it is evil Where does it say that in the Bible? And again, what's the point you're trying to make? You stated: Satan...
  19. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    What's the Bible reference for that? Of course the king of all mankind, a king of kings, is greater than just the king of Israel. But why is a king of more than one nation greater than almighty God?! Was Nebuchadnezzar greater than God? Daniel said to him, Daniel 2:37 (WEB): You, O king...