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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The body sown is the flesh that died. It shall not be resurrected again until the last trump sounds. What is raised, not resurrected, because it never died, never ceased being a "living soul". But when the natural body died as spiritual body a living soul without physical form was raised up...
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    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    You would really be helped perusing the book "The Atonement Clock" I linked for you. Like Grafted branch has said the first of 490-year era begins with the era of Jacob's ladder. The second 490-year era is found through the time of the Judges. The third 490-year era in the reigns of the...
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    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    Yes, Gedge's mention of Christ ushering in the final Jubilee went right over my head. Now that I understand, I don't see a problem in saying the final week is literally one week, nor do I see a problem saying the final one is seven years, because it is actually both!
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    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    Grafted branch, you might find the following link interesting. It uses the Bible to prove a kind of grid exists that runs throughout Scripture, and goes in-depth on Daniel 9 prophecy that leads to Christ. The Atonement Clock.
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    I know! I've been so absorbed in this book. Although as I've now read beyond the 70 year prophecy of Daniel and realize that I don't agree with all that Chris has written, I still think his work in finding the grid and making a connection to the Atonement of Christ is excellent! Thanks again...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Since that which comes out of the graves is changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible it can only be flesh, as from the beginning when God took dust of the earth to make man. OTOH, the spirit (breath of life; mind, heart, will, emotions) that gives our mortal body...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    I don't disagree! But that which is raised (not resurrected from the dead) still being a living soul is a spiritual body, not the physical body that shall not be RESURRECTED immortal & incorruptible until the last trump sounds. 1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is...
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    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    Yes, we do, when we have been born again from above. The same Spirit (breath of life) that made Adam's body alive (a living soul), is the Spirit that quickens (makes alive) our spirit (mind, heart, will, emotions) that before new birth is dead in trespasses and sins. At creation humans alone...
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    Romans 11:25 - Partially blinded

    When Christ says that whosoever lives and believes in Him shall not die, He meant it! It is only by believing that mankind is alive because they are clothed in flesh & bone that one might believe eternal life lasts only as long our body breathes. It is not our physical body that gives us life...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    It seems to be a complete act of futility to address their opinions!
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    After telling us our natural body will die and be raised a spiritual body, Paul then addresses the resurrection of the dead this discussion specifically questioned. Because some did not believe there would be a resurrection at all for those who had died, or anyone else so they were not...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Yes, when the natural body (physical) dies it returns to dust, but as "bare grain" the spiritual body without physical form is raised to heaven. Then when time given mankind whereby they must be saved has ended, our natural body too shall be resurrected immortal & incorruptible, made alive...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    You're right and I agree nothing more needs to be said about dispensationalism's decapitated 70th week. But there is a reason for the separation of the final seven weeks of years. It took a little research and much thinking for me to figure out why, because I'm not very familiar with the...
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Here again, you show no compulsion to try to answer anything I've said, neither will I give an answer to more opinions we've heard so many times before.
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    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Since you don't seem compelled to answer anything I've said, neither do I feel compelled to answer your opinions.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    I never said the Holy Spirit brings harm! Nor did I confuse Him with the four angels.
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Of course those faithful of Old had eternal life according to PROMISE. But for the Covenant to be ratified (become valid) there would have to be a death, shedding of blood for remission or pardon of sin. The blood of goats and calves only cleansed outwardly, but could not obtain eternal...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Before the cross there was no everlasting spiritual life through the Spirit. Though the Spirit was with them, He would not be permanently in them before Christ returned to the Father and sent Him. (Jo 14:17) Since Christ has come and sent His Spirit to be in us, we belong to His spiritual body...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    These verses are telling us that the WIND was held back from the four winds of the earth, which is symbolic of the Spirit being sent unto all the earth to be in those of faith. Before the four angels (symbolizing universality) would be released to bring harm unto all the earth the WIND (Spirit)...
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    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Firstfruits of the Spirit. Salvation came first to the Jew. So the Jews of faith were those who received the Spirit of Christ in life when they are born again. And before Christ came the Old Covenant faithful Jews are also firstfruits of the Spirit after Christ defeated death and they were...