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Preterism did not exist before the 17th century. But vengeance, tribulation, and affliction did. At the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Yeah. Another practitioner of interpretation by regurgitation.

Highlight the word "they" so you don't miss it. :laughing: Just can't wrap your head around the Scriptural identity of "all Israel", can you.

You be wrong.

Can't be saved from hell if not first saved from sin.

First saved from sin, then saved from hell. How many times is that?

Won't the saved be saved from hell?

"Them" are "all Israel", identified in the previous post. The gifts and the calling are terms associated exclusively with those who have put their faith in Christ. Upon whom does God bestow His gifts? Romans 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether...

That's not what Hebrews 9:26 says: 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. See that "now"?

Paul has identified "all Israel" two chapters earlier. Two Israels. Romans 9 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called...

Not only shallow and insulting. It is a trademark of cults.

The consequences of Messiah's vengeance described in Luke were the tribulation and affliction described in Matthew and Mark. All at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

The Judean Christians did not suffer the effects of the destruction of Jerusalem. They fled, as Jesus had warned them to (Matthew 24:16), and survived.

Christ put away sin at Calvary, like the NT declares. (Hebrews 9:26) But since you deny it, where does that leave you?

The arrogance and ignorance wherein you claim to be the sole possessor of truth is typical one-man cultism. Throughout orthodox Christian history, God has vested and invested His truth and wisdom in countless individuals whose faith, vision, and sacrifice, often to the death, has preserved and...

Whom to believe? 1. Historical orthodox Christian Church Fathers and Leaders whose faith, vision, and sacrifice, often to the death, preserved and sustained the true Christian Church over the centuries 2. Armchair modernist scorners and scoffers Does anyone need a hint?

Whom to believe? 1. Modernist deniers 2. Historical Church Fathers and Christian leaders Easy decision.

Not at all. There is certainly also the Second Coming in the Discourse in addition to 70 AD. The challenge is to identify each in the text. Given the relative imminence of 70 AD to the time of the Discourse, it would be reasonable to expect no less than half of the Discourse to be devoted to...

So Jesus should have used "naon" in both instances, because it can have the two different meanings. Why didn't He?

Scofield dispensational futurism claims that wars and rumors are signs of the end. Jesus declared just the opposite. Scofield dispensational futurism attempts to claim that Jesus ignored His disciples' question. Jesus and His disciples knew that He answered their question. In no verse of...