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When I post I'm not hoping to prove anything. I go by what plain scripture states and I do not bring my theology to it. I did say that you were to leave your theology behind and just do the language in the text. The very fact that you're asking me this shows that you have not done so and this...

Yes. The above will require some time. I think we're speaking past each other. I agree with you. Have company. Later.

Hi Lambano, I did want to reply to the above but been too busy. You don't like the PRACTICES rendition of 1 John 3:9 OK But if it means just comitting sins and it does NOT refer to a lifestyle... doesn't that conflict with John in 1 John 1:9? In 1 J 1:9 he's staying we can be forgiven for...

It's an interesting question RLT... Try to leave your theology behind... and answer this: Re 1 Cor 15:2 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB 1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if...

Hi RLT Sorry for delay. I asked you to whom 1 John 2:19 is adressed. John is speaking to believers and calling them LITTLE CHILDREN... but he is most certainly not addressing the little children. Care to try again? or I'll give you the answer. John is addressing those that left the group of...

Get me a cup. I've asked 2 Greek scholars and 2 others for comments. I think this one is not so clear cut and may have to be declared neutral. I'm not sure but I refuse to bring my belief to the verse. We'll see.

Oh my.... can I possible be in the same room with MAILMANDAN ETERNALLY GRATEFUL RLT63 :running:

NOT you too RLT.... You seem like such an intelligent guy. Let's see if you could regain your reputation: WHO was 1 John 2:19 addressing?

I know what you mean about being a daughter of God/child of God... I just cannot relate it to what I posted. But, no matter, I'm getting tired here and should leave.

I don't know Dan. You may be right on this. :eek: I did ask and I did get a reply. And I don't see any moolah coming my way. As a second prize... how about you put on that flowery shirt and get on that horse??

If he knows them then it's OK? :hmhehm

You're a tough cookiie!

so before they turned they had the truth... then they turned from it. They turned from faith.

Well, RC is gone.

Not only the end of eternal security... it's much worse. HOW could any reformed/calvinist believer know for sure that they are really saved? I can know I'm saved because I CHOOSE to be. IF God does the choosing,,,,how do I know for certain that He chose me? RC Sproul and John Piper are asked...

Surely it would create a problem UNLESS 1 J 3:9 meant PRACTICE...or any other way of saying that. It would directly contradict 1 J 1:9 I DO believe that sometimes a word does need to be stated in the "modern" way. It's like saying I'M GOING TO RETIRE but meaning I'M GOING TO SLEEP and not the...

Don't know that Greek word you posted. But if you know Greek,,, you know that I'm correct about the word BELIEVE. If everyone understood this the debate over whether or not good works are necessary would end right now.

Yes sir. Here it is: Besides this there is a special call which, for the most part, God bestows on believers only, when by the internal illumination of the Spirit he causes the word preached to take deep root in their hearts. Sometimes, however, he communicates it also to those whom he...

From what did they turn?

No.