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Wait. I need to think this over. Believing in vain. Believing without a purpose. Believing without considering everything. It might be like Luke 8:13 You know it's not this difficult. Faith is what saves. IF we have faith we are saved. IF we do not have faith----at whatever point in our...

I saw it now. He's agreeing with you! But we'd have to check out WHEN he stated this. Sometimes we misspeak. He sure does say that vain means not saved NOW. Never speak for the other member...rule no. 1 I broke a rule. :eek: But I really do believe I'm right. I guess I could ask. Get the...

I noticed a post of yours before and cannot find it again. You said that what helped you to understand was that the word FAITH includes BELIEF. And, as you surely know, the word BELIEF, in Greek has within it the idea of OBEDIENCE. Paul used the words BELEIVE and OBEY interchangeably. One...

Dan WE ALL AGREE that those believing IN VAIN are not saved. WE ALL AGREE on the meaning of vain...to one degree or another. Get up to date! Waiting on my prize money. hmmx1:

I agree. John exhorts beievers not to sin... but if they do sin, he provides a solution. Yes. Still with you. This is the easy part. Right. But some believe that what John is saying is that a believer CANNOT SIN. Period. It clearly states PRACTICES sin.... which is a life-style, not a one...

That sounds right to me. Man does seem to take things too far. But.... Just for the record, in the early church it was as we both wish.... The heresy was eliminated.... Not the person. But then things changed.

Too good! :Laughingoutloud:

Great! :Laughingoutloud:

The NLT is very good for certain scripture...not all. I feel like I have to check everything against the NASB.... It's good to check several versions if there's any question. Thanks.

Nice translation for we modern folk. BUT you didn't say which one it is....

Yes sir. I agree fully with your reconciliation of 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 3:9 It is the difference between committing a sin and living in sin. Again, you are taking ONE SENTENCE and creating an entire doctrine from it. If someone that knows God never sins... or one that sins has never known...

A coherent system cannot be made using sola scriptura. Plus we see a lot of solo scriptura on these threads. I'm not much for systematic theologies... but let's say that those that were taught by the Apostles DID NOT believe in unconditional eternal salvation. Let's say they all believed...

But then I would miss you and Dan! Look EG,,,, Here is the contradiction YOU are creating: 1 John 1:9 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. vs 1 John 3:9 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because...

To God a day is as 1,000 years. or V V. Yes. Forever is not within our mental wiring.

I think egotism is self-centerdness. I believe an egotistical person is one that thinks only of himself... he is the center of the universe.

The dreaded 1 John 3:9 :eek: Incredible how ONE SENTENCE could change all of Christian theology. Ditto for Hebews 6:6 6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, One sentence wipes away everything Paul taught and everything that JESUS taught. Is it any...

What I've said is that labels are OK. It cuts through a lot of wasted babble and gets straight to the theology. You call me a works salvationist. See. I immediately know how to address your posts. You post what a calvinist would post. Until proven otherwise, I am certain that you are calvinist...

It could be idolatry or lack of reverence.... don't most sins fall under those two categories? Or it could be pride or egotism. The result is the same.

I think we have to leave these matters in God's hands. I have family members that are not saved...actually atheists. It's more common here than in the States. My first reply would be that it is not analogous. I believe the Jewish religion is honoring the same God of the bible. I believe Islam...

The above could be likened to Romans 1:24 24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, Jesus went to search for the lost lamb... but eventually God will give up if that is ultimately what we want. She has come to stop believing in Jesus. This is a bad situation...