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  1. BreadOfLife

    False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.

    Ummmmm- YOU’RE the one who brought it up, hypocrote. YOU said: “The till in Mary's marriage is her first born Son.” I merely schooled you on what “firstborn” means . . . Gee – WHICH idiotic statement should I debink first?? First of all – the Catholic Church has NEVER changed a SINGLE...
  2. BreadOfLife

    False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.

    If you’re bowing out of the discussion – message received. If not – provide the Biblical proof . . .
  3. BreadOfLife

    Catholics; Do You Believe This?

    I would answer that by pointing to the phrase above in RED. Because if your beliefs are wrong – then it doesn’t matter what size your groups is. There is truth in EVERY Protestant denomination because we all hold to the Trinitarian reality that is God and that His Son, Jesus is our Savior...
  4. BreadOfLife

    False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.

    WRONG. The Church has never viewed Mary as a deity. That would be idolatry, which the Church has always condemned. The Church holds to Scripture and Sacred Tradition when it comes to Mary’s Perpetual Virginity. WRONG. James and Joses are shown to relatives of Jesus and the children of the...
  5. BreadOfLife

    False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.

    Actually, that's a LIE. But it sounds like you're comfortable with lying . . .
  6. BreadOfLife

    False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.

    Yeah, I didn't think you'd find any Biblical proof . . .
  7. BreadOfLife

    False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.

    The fact is that there is ZERO Biblical evidence that Mary had a child other than Jesus. Every time a new thread about Mary’s Perpetual Virginity is created – the SAME evidence is presented and is routinely DEBUNKED. Let’s start with the word “Until”. Matt. 1:25 But he did not consummate their...
  8. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    The difference is that Jerome didn't use Cicero or any other non-Biblical writing to substantiate Christian doctrine.
  9. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    First of all I post that he was including the Boolk oof Wisdom in his argumeny along with Leviticus and Hebrews. And, sorry - but the onys is still pn YOU to explain why Jerome used the Book of Wisdom to convey a pnt of doctrine. There would be no reaso for this if it was an "extrabiblical"...
  10. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    WRONG. YOU need to read this more SLOWLY. NOWHERE does Irenaeus claim that Jesus was FIFTY at AN point in His life. In fact, he stated that although Jesus was only THIRTY, the Pharisees assumed he was forty or older but not yet fifty. This is a direct quote from John’s Gospel: John 8:57 “Then...
  11. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    WRONG. Jerome explicitly uses the phrase "Holy Scripture" as I already showed you: "Your argument is ingenious, but you do not see that it goes against HOLY SCRIPTURE, which declares that even ignorance is not without sin. Do you expect me to explain the purposes and plans of GOD? THE BOOK OF...
  12. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    No - but you DID use the usual anti-Catholic argument that an Early Church document I referenced (Against Heresies) was “spurious”. This ALWAYS seems to be the case when and anti-Catholic like yourself is faced with indisputable historical evidence . . . Any way - Carson doesn’t deny that Peter...
  13. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Depending on the translation - some fay "Sacred" Scripture and others say "Holy" Scripture. You are living in complete denial. Jerome’s words here are not up for debate. He explicitly refers to Sirach as “Holy Scripture” - yet YOU still insist that he didn’t mean it. He utilizes the Books o...
  14. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Your error is in reading Jerome’s EARLY writings about the Deuterocanonicals and not his later writings. He explained that it was not he – but the Jewish scholars helping him that objected to them. Jerome even used them in debates and referring to them as “sacred Scripture”. Jerome Wrote "What...
  15. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Funny you should bring up J.N.D. Kelly to dispute Irenaeus’s Against Heresies. Kelley, in his Book, Oxford Dictionary of Popes uses this document to show the like of Papal succession going all the way back to Peter in Rome (see Rev. 17-18; Oxford Dictionary of the Popes, 6). According to...
  16. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    The fact ios that the Deuterocanonicals were part of of the Septuagint during Jesus's time. I have already provided examples from the NT with regard to this. The rabbis at Jabneh removed the Deuterocanonicals from the Septuagint - hence a "new" version was created. There are 5 major Traditions...
  17. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    First of all – we know that Clement was THE Bishop of Rome during his time – and NOT part of a “team” of Bishops of Rome. We know this because of Irenaeus. In his 2ns century document, Against Heresies, he lists of the Bishops of Rome from his own time going ALL the way back to Peter – and they...
  18. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    As I stated earlier – the description of the Armor in Wis. 5:17-20 is almost verbatim – and a much closer description that that of Isaiah 59:17. I ALSO noticed that you didn’t touch on the mother and her sons spoken of in Heb 11:35 / 2 Macc. 7:1-42. And, as I stated before - the Canon was OPEN...
  19. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Direct quotes? No – but I never said that. I said that there are hundreds of references. For example – Eph. 6:13-17 – Paul’s reference to the armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield – is an almost verbatim listing from Wis. 5:17-20. Heb. 11:35 – The teaching about the martyrdom of the...
  20. BreadOfLife

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    There is nothing confusing or misleading about Clemet's words. It's just YOUR ignorance of the offices. Just as a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is NOT necessarily a square - - The Pope is a Priest/Presbyter. - A Bishop is a Priest/Presbyter. - A Priest/Presbyter is NOT a Bishop or...