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Amigo, I'm afraid you haven't evaded the misinformation campaign that surrounds Adventism (and other churches, for that matter, I'm sure). Contrary to the cult-like characterization that is commonly held, my 33-year experience has been that studious Adventists are encouraged (not so much by...

Cookout Classic Beyond Burgers w/ a slab of tomato and onion, cheezy tzaziki sauce on Seedtastic bread and watermelon/apple/lemon juice w/ cayenne These are not the salad days. :Happy:

Me, too! :stageright:

Oh, yeah. Do you remember T. Marshall Kelly? :musicn2: It takes everything to serve the Lord... :musicn2: Why, here he is now: Maybe I don' wanna. :Happy: It was just re: someone else's reference. I know you like to scrap over Hebrews 4. I been knowin' you Sis. :cool:

No. I can't really see why it needs to be re-declared. I don't think God should be required to chew His cabbage twice. :)

Not after skippin' a day, Sis. ;)

...which is AWOL, btw.

No one here has ever even hinted that the plan of redemption was hatched like an egg at some point of contingency along a linear timeframe. Before Christ was born (one mystery of mysteries) God exists/ed entirely in eternity and has/had all the foreknowledge that commonly believed omniscience...

No references to redemption are made within the text of Genesis 1 & 2 and, although other types of testimony are mounting to the sky, absolutely no evidence to the contrary has been offered.

One problem that arises in these discussions is that words and phrases have different meanings to different people but, in the end, they are all we really have to communicate with each other. Many people try to be honest and understand each other. They make the sharing of ideas profitable and...

I can only speak for myself, but my denomination's official expressed belief about the divinity of Christ, with which I have no disagreement as far as I can tell, can be found here: https://www.adventist.org/son/

I don't understand the rules to this game.

"Outnumbered" now? Are we in a popularity contest? And once again, you've pinpointed a single statement, replied in a broken-record fashion, and ignored the direct points I've made. And there's that new rabbit hole I anticipated. "Biblical ABCs," is it? So, are you saying that the whole of...

I'm not sure why this keeps coming up. The statement/question speaks for itself. There is nothing to say about redemption in Genesis 1 and 2 because acknowledging the future need for a remedy to sin would spoil the "painting." There's no denying (as has been accused) something that isn't there...

What moral duties do we have a command for, Ron?

I was actually referring to common beliefs within the individual groups rather than beliefs held in common with the Catholic Church, but that is a very thoughtful and straightforward reply and I appreciate it very much, BOL. :)

My mistake. I thought this was a serious discussion.

I wish I could say I'm glad I could be of amusement to you.

So there's a pastor in Northern California who's having very good success getting folks to find the motivation needed to make the changes necessary for quick, noticable, and lasting relief from crippling cognitive disease. He only gets to spend a couple of hours with them in total as part of a...