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This is True, however many if not the majority in modern day christianity believe that their believing is something they do from their own freewill choice, and as result God saved them on that basis, thats works, all day long. Now if one believes as I do, and maybe yourself, that believing is...

The proper understanding of Faith not being a work condition that man performs in order to get God to save them, it is to understand that Faith to believe is all of grace, and not of us, and hence eliminates in grounds for boasting, as I believed and you didn't, and so, God saved me and not you...

Delivers from Death ! Christ's Covenantal Death, for those He did die for, He delivers them from death and the fear of it Heb 2:14-15 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that...

When we misconstrue Faith/Believing to be that which is a condition performed by man in order to get God to save us, then we invalidate it being opposed to woks/law, and unwittingly make it a law. The principle of law works is this, when we deem it necessary to do something to gain the approval...

Fruit of Christ's Death ! What is meant by fruit is the effects and product of Christ's Death for all whom He died, for He died an Covenantal Death Matt 26:28 28 For this is my blood of the new testament or covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Isa 42:6 6 I the Lord...

If we say that we are Justified before God or saved by Him because of our act of Faith or believing, then we are saying God saved or justifies us because of our works. Its a work because its acting obedience to a command just as much as its a command to love, notice 1 Jn 3:23 23 And this is his...

Are you afraid to clarify? I figured . Thats the logical conclusion of that which you say you agree to. I will tell you that those who Christ died for,they are born into this world as ungodly sinners, yet Justified before God, declared righteous and forgiven, even in unbelief.

So you believe people Christ died for are born into the world Justified before God, with sins forgiven ?

Yeah you answered, but I dont think you thought it out to its logical conclusion.

Are you sure you know what you are saying yes to ?

The Blood of Christ ! Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? This verse tells us that it is the Blood of Christ [ The God/Man] and His Death that is...

How you doing. Let me ask you, Do you believe the elect, those whom Christ died, when they are born dead in sin like everyone else, before they become believers, that by Christs death alone for them, they are Justified before God and forgiven of all sin ? Yes or no please.

s downey Are they born legally Justified before God, forgiven of all their sins, even before they believe, based entirely on the Grace of God, the redemptive death of Christ for them Rom 3:24 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Yes or no

How you doing ? Are you implying that those whom Christ died are not Justified before God by His Blood alone prior to them being given Faith to believe in Christ ?

This is works !

Again Salvation is apart from works, its Grace. And dont get it twisted, if you make any work the condition you met to get God to save you, its merit, or a wage and you have denied Grace.

Salvation is by Grace apart from works friend !

Again all your points are spurious in order to justify salvation by works !

Made Righteous by His Faithfulness/Obedience ! 3 Please notice again in Romans 12:3 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the...

walteranddeb I disagree, I believe the scripture teaches that those who Christ died for are justified by grace and or His Blood before apart from their faith or believing.