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Absolutely. His sacrifice wouldn't have paid the price for the sins of the world had the Lamb of God been blemished by any sin. Do you really not do anything you would count as sin? No unsavory thoughts? No flashes of irritation? No struggle with the flesh whatsoever?

I thought we came to it... by the mercy of God. Why would someone with God-consciousness need a middle ground then? I thought, according to you, having the God-consciousness means we have no need for beliefs or doctrines anymore...? And idk man. Is studying scripture and forming beliefs...

Right and you'know the thing about that is that Paul was obviously, probably, hands-down the most Spirit-filled man walking the earth at the time. Yet even he did not consider himself to have reached the goal. He still acknowledged that he was an imperfect creature, in many ways prone to the...

No, I totally get that. A Christian (born again) will naturally hate their old sin nature and starve it. That's the path I'm on, and hope everyone else is on. But i thought we were talking about initial Grace? We can't earn that, and even if we follow the Lord obediently 100% we are still not...

This shows that the person is still learning. It is feasible that they could eventually come to unlearn their indoctrination in such a way.

If Grace is granted through Faith, and Faith is granted through Grace, then the justification that is by Faith it is not dependant upon our performance. Otherwise it would be said that Grace is owed us, which it is not. Romans 4:3-5 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it...

Disagree. I think it can be said that people here hold religious beliefs, self included. I'm still learning new things each day. A heavily indoctrinated person is a different story. But even then, their doctrine had to form at some point. Even indoctrination isn't a static thing.

Isnt Grace the unmerited favor of God?

Uh, I think you got it backwards, chief. You cant indoctrinate true Faith into someone. That has to come from the heart; a true response to the gospel. Beliefs, otoh, are more doctrinal, dogmatic, structural, etc. These can be taught and written and exposited on.

I used to be more interested in eschatology, but this thread is an example of why I no longer am.

Freewill is arguably the most well taught doctrine in the entire Bible The Bible has a number of broad, sweeping teachings that support the traditional definition of freewill. Let’s consider a few of these examples. 1. God calls on people to obey, choose, and believe in him (Jn. 15:10; Josh...

I mean, we are called to take up our cross and die daily to self. Dying daily to the fleshly carnal nature is, in a sense, to beat and maim it by deprivation. Christ was obedient unto death and never gave in to the flesh, but subdued it utterly. When our whole being acknowledges that we have...

Anyway I'm done. Take care. PSA: Not every Christian has to be a Calvinist.

He was calling all of them to repent and to stop resisting. His will here was to draw all of them to Himself. Yet most of them were not drawn. Therefore, if Irresistible Grace is the mechanism by which God draws people, it is a contradiction in terms in view of said passage.

When Paul references this Psalm in Hebrews 3:11 he is certainly not speaking about temporal rest, but eternal rest.

And that's not even the point. God was calling all of them (referring to Psalm 95:11) to repentance. If Irresistible Grace were true, they would not have resisted God in the wilderness. Yet they did. That is all.

No, disagree. God was not only talking about having rest in this life. He swore in Hid wrath after 40 years that they would never enter His rest. That verse is talking about Eternal Rest. So you're incorrect there.

So now you're saying they fulfilled the law on their own without Christ's sacrifice.

We know that many from OT times will be in heaven though. Matthew 8:11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

What happened to the souls of God's people before Christ came then?