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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    How could Amils NOT believe saints are being martyred during this symbolic period of time, since we believe a/the thousand years does not equate to one thousand years in the future, because it symbolizes an unspecified amount of time that began with the advent of Christ coming to earth a man...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I understand your frustration Taken! It's very hard to argue against God, so you are showing some little restraint not trying to answer that which you cannot! After all I simply asked you to RECONCILE verses of Scripture (I did not ask you to believe what I say) with what you have been taught...
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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Have you forgotten that Amils view a thousand years to represent an unspecified amount of time that began with the first advent of Christ and shall end when the seventh trumpet begins to sound? Since saints have been martyred, are being martyred, and shall continue to be martyred throughout...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You don't answer because you CANNOT! To try would make you to argue against the Word of God, and even though you clearly have little understanding of Biblical eschatology, even you can figure out that arguing against God would make one foolish! You need to go back to the Biblical doctrines you...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Don't hold your breath, I'm sure not holding mine!
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    HELLO! Exactly David! They lived (past tense) and reigned (past tense) with Christ during this period of time John writes a thousand years! And there shall be NO bodily resurrections from the graves for them, because, as I've shown, NONE shall be bodily resurrected immortal until the hour...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I can't help but notice that you ignore the questions I put before you??? If your doctrine did not force contradictions into the Word of God, you would be able to answer the questions I put before YOU in posts #3513 & 3516. But you are correct, the Bible is NOT a convoluted, and contradictory...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That's not revealing six times, that's John repeating six times how the thousand years are to be understood. You have only Rev 20 nothing else from the Word of God to prove what you assume! And not even Rev 20 proves your unbiblical doctrines true.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Do you believe these martyred saints will be bodily resurrected again to live and reign with Christ for one thousand years on this earth after the return of Christ? If so, how do you reconcile that with the fact that it is written there will be none bodily resurrected again before an hour...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    After living and reigning with Christ a thousand years, do they get beheaded after that? When are they beheaded? Is the fate for faithful saints really beheading after one thousand years of living and reigning with Christ? Remember they are beheaded for being faithful unto death!
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I really find it very difficult to understand why pretrib cannot discern the difference between great tribulation that Christ clearly warns His disciples would suffer in this life, and the wrath of God that shall not come until the last trumpet sounds??? The words Christ spoke from the Mt of...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That Jesus is Christ comes to mankind through the Gospel proclaimed in the power of the Holy Spirit! The disciples would not have understanding of all the indwelling Spirit would teach them, before He was sent to be IN them. But again, I don't know what any of this has to do with saying in...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    How does all you say here give you license to argue in Christ and in Jesus are not saying the very same thing??? What does any of this have to do with in Christ and in Jesus meaning the SAME THING? EVEN THOUGH THE OLD COVENANT PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW THE NAME JESUS, THEY DID KNOW ENOUGH TO...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The disciples of Christ could not be martyred before completing the task He was assigning to them, which was "build My church". And that would require the power of the Holy Spirit in them, which had not yet come. (Jo 14:16-17) His disciples would live to be witnesses of His sacrificial death...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What is incoherent is making a distinction between being IN CHRIST or IN JESUS as if saying in Christ or in Jesus does not mean the same thing??? That is not only incoherent, but a bit bizarre! How can anyone professing to be of Christ not understand that Jesus is Christ? Jesus is the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Try this David, call it the age or epoch of time of the Lord. Because 'day' is defined as both 'a' specific day, or an age/era/epoch of time. All that is written, including judgment and wrath upon the lost shall come during this day/age/era/epoch of time. The same time John symbolically...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Because I understand the day of the Lord began when the Lord came to earth a man! His day which is the time when the Gospel of salvation is being proclaimed unto all the nations of the earth is this age of grace through faith. When the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete then the day of the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The day of the Lord is only dreadful and darkness for those who choose to remain in the darkness rather than to turn to the LIGHT of Christ!
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    All who have physically died in faith are the dead in Christ. When Jesus spoke these words remember He was about to resurrect faithful Lazarus from physical death, returning life to his mortal body. If we try to read this as meaning that mortal humans of flesh and blood would never die, we...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Shall the day of the Lord be darkness and not light for all people? Or will His day be a darkness and not light only for those who refuse to come to the light?