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@brakelite @Dave L and anyone with a Preterist or Historicist view 2 Peter 3:10 makes it clear what happens in the end times. How has this scripture been fulfilled by the Preterist view specifically?

Uh, Jesus didnt return a second time to judge the nations.

I'm trying to investigate how such a system will be enforced from the top down and I don't have a solid answer yet. Please explain how every single transaction one makes in that world is supposed to be preceded by a display of "religious practice" How are vendors supposed to discern who to buy...

Yes but only through technology is this such a control system as "social score" possible. Anyway, thanks for explaining your side of the interpretation.

Agreed. That's the point I'm trying to present.

I'm still trying to grasp how, in the future, vendors are supposed to discern whether or not the customer in front of them legitimately worships the beast in order to complete transactions. I'm envisioning that every single customer will have to make a rock'n'roll sign with their right hand and...

@BreadOfLife Here's the thing that really gets me about Paul. He must have been the most Spirit filled man ever when he was writing the NT, yet he never claimed he was sinless or that he had completed the race, but that he was still pressing on, still striving against the flesh and unholy...

You're not arguing against me, but against Rev 14:9-10 which clearly states the reality of those that TAKE it.

The act of taking the chip is inexorably linked with worship of the AC system.

I'll rephrase. How are vendors supposed to discern the spiritual affiliation of their day to day customers? What mechanism verifies their affiliation? Scripture is the authority, not personal interpretation. Wouldn't you agree? If you can't buy or sell without it, then it can be said to...

Well, taking the mark is the unforgivable sin in God's eyes because the one taking it is telling God they submit to the devil over Jesus and that they worship him as God instead.

I will have to get back to you more in depth later... Then how is the system enforced? It cannot be enforced verbally because then people could just lie about it to buy and sell. There has to be something more involved, more restrictive than a mere verbal pledge of allegiance. So tell me how...

Try Revelation 14:9-10 Either way, this isn't something that you or anyone else in the world should gamble with. If the supernatural event were to occur with messenger Angel's flying through the air proclaiming Rev 14:9-10, and then a few days later, every 1st world nation with a functioning...

Correct. But it is still the decision of the individual to take the mark. It cannot be forced, meaning this isn't a deal that the devil can do whenever he wants to. God, on the other hand, can deal his children with the seal of promise. In your previous reply, it sounded like you were asking if...

Where in scripture are you finding these metaphorical "beasts" ?

Because God is merciful and doesnt want any to perish and He is always waiting for people to repent and turn to Him for salvation. The devil has not been given the power to take whomever he wants, but only by the willful rejection of God by man's own decision does the devil then possess that...

So what if we get identified as Christian's at this time... are you saying we are supposed to say we do not know Christ in order to save ourselves... or should we own our allegiance to Christ and suffer whatever happens boldly?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a person cannot have evil actions (hand) without evil intentions (mind/heart/forehead) Yet in Revelation 13:16, it says And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on...

You cannot have actions without intentions. Therefore, one cannot only recieve the mark in the hand alone. Yet the passage says "forehead OR hand"

I don't believe I've heard of the "three witnesses" aspect of Revelation. Could you explain?