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    But shun profane and vain babblings

    Why have you begun another thread about the first resurrection? You still have unanswered questions from the other post on the same topic. It seems you have no answers for your contradicting doctrine, so you want to pretend like this is not already being thoroughly discussed. Why not answer...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    How could the last trumpet be Jesus during His ministry since John writes that when the seventh trumpet begins to sound time shall be no longer? (Rev 10:5-7)
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    When saints are resurrected from the graves their glorified body will be immortal & incorruptible. If they arose bodily when Christ rose from the dead, that would cause contradiction, because Paul tells us saints will be bodily resurrected immortal when the last trumpet sounds. And Christ says...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    I agree! But only Christ is the firstfruits from the dead PHYSICALLY. The Old Covenant faithful are firstfruits SPIRITUALLY. They arose from the graves and as spiritual body of Christ ascended with Christ to heaven. They were sown natural body and raised a spiritual body (1Cor 14:44) because...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    I believe John is using Rev 20 to show a distinction and what happens to those who have been born again, and those who live and die in unbelief. There are some who have been martyred for their faith whom John sees alive in heaven. But there are also those who have died in unbelief, who shall...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    There is no physical resurrection from the graves until the hour coming when the last trumpet sounds. Those who have done good will be physically resurrected to life again, and those who have done evil resurrected for damnation.
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    I don't necessarily disagree! But I feel there is less confusion, at least for me, to understand the first resurrection is of Christ alone. Those who are born again share in Christ's resurrection (1st) life through His Spirit, but we are not bodily resurrected as Christ was until the hour...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    I don't know if he's being deliberately obtuse, or really does not understand???
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    You're confused because you don't know what or WHO the first resurrection is! For the umpteenth time the first resurrection is not physical saints being resurrected from the dead. The first resurrection IS THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST THAT MAN MUST HAVE PART IN BEFORE THEY DIE TO OVERCOME THE...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    They haven't been physically resurrected yet! None who have died shall be physically resurrected until the hour coming when the last trumpet sounds. Then ALL who are in the graves shall come out, those who have done good resurrected to life, and those who have done evil resurrected to damnation.
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Paul writes there is a natural body, and a spiritual body. The natural body he writes is of the earth and like Adam. That which is spiritual is like Christ and of heaven, a celestial/spiritual body. Just as in physical life mankind bears the image of the earthy, Adam, so too after death...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Yes, absolutely! They were martyred for their faith during this time John writes a thousand years. They weren't all martyred at the same time so they might all live and reign with Christ for exactly ONE thousand years. They are all at various times throughout this time symbolized 'a/the'...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    I agree! Saints of Old who died in faith waiting and looking for the promised Messiah to come have indeed arisen from the graves AFTER the RESURRECTION of Christ. The verse tells us only that those who slept arose, it does not say they were bodily resurrected from the graves. Matthew...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    But where does John say the first resurrection is a physical resurrection of saints? You're trying to read your preconceived doctrine into the text. There is only ONE "first resurrection" of the physically dead, and that is the resurrection of Christ ALONE.
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Take away the numbered verses to read and understand what John is saying. When John writes "This is the first resurrection" he is NOT speaking of the "rest of the dead" that will not live again until the thousand years have ended. The first resurrection is of those who are called holy and...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    There will be only one physical resurrection in the hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds. That is NOT the 'first resurrection' mankind MUST have part in before they die for them to overcome the second death. In the passage below John writes of the bodily resurrection that shall...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    The first physical resurrection is already a reality. It's the bodily resurrection of Christ from the dead. Acts 26:23 (KJV) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. Revelation 1:5...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Exactly, when man is born again of the Spirit of Christ, he/she is a new creature. That is to be spiritually quickened (made alive) in Christ. The Spirit of Christ coming in us is not being resurrected from physical death. It is to have part in the resurrection life of Christ through His...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    We're pretty close in agreement here. According to the accounting from creation God says, He created man from the dust of the earth (physical form) breathed into him the breath of life (spirit) and he became a living soul. Every living breathing creature upon the earth is a living soul...