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Perhaps the translation presents the true context of the chapter. This is how I have paraphrased the chapter: - Zechariah 8: - Jerusalem, the Holy City of the Future 8:1 Again the word of the Lord of hosts came, saying, 2 "Thus says the Lord of hosts: 'I am zealous for Zion with great zeal...

But as shown above, you ignore the context of a verse and force a very different context for that verse from the context that it is found in. It is you who has rejected a plethora of scripture that clearly states a very different position.

Ah Patrick, you love to take a verse out of context to support your argument without presenting the true context in which that verse is found. Can you explain why the Prophet, Jeremiah, is grieved? Can you put the Book of Lamentations into the period of time that the prophet is grieving over...

But Jonah, even while in the Whale, still exercised his free choice.

Patrick there is a really big wide and deep ditch between what we respectfully call God's truth. Your truth is based on a flawed understanding because of the way you read the scriptures.

Ah Patrick, Jesus does not torture mankind if they chose to not acknowledge him as their Lord and Saviour. People are allowed to exercise their free choice and then suffer the consequences of that free choice.

I believe that Ezekiel 18 covers this topic about being candidates for the second death with no changes mentioned about after a person physically dying before they have a chance to repent. Ezekiel 18: - A False Proverb Refuted 18:1 The word of the Lord came to me...

It seems to me that you have a silver tongue. Your understanding of the end times does not match what the scriptures actually presents.

Really, Patrick, is that the only rebuttal you have. I am on point with respect to this thread. Someone who pushes a very different theology to the one that I have presented is a real jerk to others and does not love his brethren, because his purpose is to mislead them. You claim that I...

Ah! MatthewG, since you hold to a false theological understanding of when the End Times will occur because of your Rabbi's babblings, I do not take much notice of your comments.

Perhaps these verses from Daniel 11:32- 35 may help to explain what is happening at this present time: - Daniel 11:32-35: - 32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong and carry out great exploits. 33 And...

Show @marks some respect. He is in training to be an escape artist of being refined in Christ during these times of great trouble. The saving grace for him is that these great times of trouble are well into our distant future. The sad fact is that by attempting to escape God's grace of being...

Now since I am not a citizen of the USA, I am not that really interested in the whims of people in the USA. Not knowing the statistic for this forum with respect to the respective members' countries, the validity of the survey with respect to the other countries that members belong to is...

Yes, I agree with you, it is woefully inadequate in describing the "church's" problems and hinderances of people wanting to do God's work.

Seems like you are taking another tilt at the windmill again. Your horse will be overcome with the weight of your invalid campaign.

Ah Debbie, they often like to milk the emotions of the people on the forums, who because of the emotional pull of the posters cannot see the tree for the forest presented. I knew a girl who was asked to obtain her final school examination certificate. She prayed that God would help her to pass...

I brought a wife for the price of a cow but on the day that I gained possession of her, the in-laws killed the cow to celebrate that they were no longer liable for her upkeep. Nothing is new under the sun. Nothing has changed. :eek:

I am afraid that you have stripped this one verse of its context. This is the context: - Revelation 18 New King James Version The Fall of Babylon the Great 1 After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory...

But that is not your message here on this forum. You profess to a universal theology that says that you can be saved even after you are dispatched into the Lake of Fire which is the second death, but even the second death is dispatched into the lake of fire. But the dog will also still bite...

I wonder when Jesus wants us to love God? While we are still alive and living on the earth or after we have been judged wanting in the GWTR judgement and have been dispatched to the Lake of Fire? Not giving the right answer to this question is considered to be not loving of others. I wonder...