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I think we might be at cross purposes and not understanding each other with some things. In a nutshell.......you said we are born of the spirit, not of God's word .....and that we are not born again through the word. I certainly don't dispute that the Holy Spirit is involved in the new birth...

The written word is the living word written down...they are not separate entities. Holy men of old were moved by the Holy Spirit to write down the living word that was flowing to and through them by the Spirit. The gospel writers and apostles were likewise inspired by the Spirit. God is not...

Yes, that is all very true, amen. I'm not disputing that at all, and I don't think anyone here is disputing that.........but ALSO we want to understand that the word is involved in our spiritual birth as well. That incorruptible seed is the word of God (gospel) sown in the soil of our hearts...

The living word was written down........and it is the Spirit that quickens it. When we came to faith the Lord quickened His word to our hearts, the word of the gospel. Being "born of the Spirit" is only an allegory......and it takes the spirit AND the word to bring about the "new birth". As...

I might venture this though: Rom 13:1-4 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves...

I am trying to learn to let the Lord sort out and judge the politics and strifes of this world. The best I can do about all that is come up with tentative opinions, and that I'm sorry for the suffering on both sides. There is so much information and disinformation out there, who has time to...

Amen, I like that....checks and balances....one without the other leads to lopsidedness and error. God is looking for worshipers in Spirit AND in truth.

But remember that we are born again through the word, by the Spirit. The seed that is planted in our hearts is the word. We need both the word and the Spirit together....so it's not a question of one over the other. We are washed by the washing of the word....when we hear and receive that...

Fee free to ignore any blather of mine, but this came to me from the Lord upon awakening this morning: Has not God chosen the weak things....? Like He chose you if you know the Lord, and me. And remember that Jacob's sons repented and were forgiven. And the Lord was pleased with Joseph who...

I agree that repentance is "granted".....but an individual may harden their heart and resist the Holy Spirit when He comes calling....or their heart may be open to the Lord and soft.....often due to the Lord having prepared their hearts through afflictions of life experiences that He allowed the...

I think the Lord was mocking the "here a little, there a little" for those who fell backward, because they weren't getting the big picture, and perhaps they were cherry picking verses here and there as well. But I understand what you are saying....it's about growing. Oh dear, ,God doesn't...

Well, was God showing "favouritism" when He chose them? Is He showing "favouritism" every time He chooses anyone for His purposes? Do you think it's a fun thing to be "chosen" by Him or does it come with a great cost? There is a spirit of antisemitism being stirred up right now....we need to...

....or maybe there are some things that are just wrong, ;) because I am not sure anyone can be said to know all truth. I believe what you are saying about Goliath is true. (A couple of years ago or so, the Lord "spoke" the number two to me...ever since then so many "two's" have been cropping...

Like you I'm trying to discern. Some things are ringing in as true or maybe, but other things I am not getting any kind of inner witness for.

Partly, I would consider it. Their punishment fell on them in 70 AD when Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed and the people of Israel were taken as slaves or were scattered. Since then they have been strangers in a strange land wherever they went, which gives rise to being mistreated from...

Well I know what spirit that is of when someone tries to catch someone else out on a technicality while ignoring the whole point of what they are saying. See that a lot. It's what the Pharisees liked to do to Jesus. And I'm pretty certain that if the Pharisees and religious leaders of Jesus'...

Whew, I'm finding it's a lot to parse and chew on and I'm not young any more. Just can't get my head around it all right now, so I'll have to let it percolate and simmer on a back burner for a while and see if anything cooks up......asking the Lord to sift this.

Sorry for taking so long to get back here. Thanks for your replies. So the "end" of the ungodly and sinners who obey not the gospel.....isn't really the end (as opposed to eternal life)..? Same with destruction and perish.....they don't mean quite what they are saying? Are you saying those...

Think you pretty much said it yourself brother......their intent wasn't to expose and deal with sin for righteousness' sake or seeking anyone's good, it was something else they were doing there. Not lost on God, I'm sure....who sees the heart. It's a lesson for us to learn from, that we not be...