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That’s my point but the other way around if we have a literal prison why need or use a chain?

No, let me clarify the bottomless pit is symbolic for satan being bound by deceiving us through the truth and the power of the gospel. The gospel reveals the truth to us and if we stay connected to it satan can’t deceive us he might as well be bound in a pit. But he can deceive those who don’t...

It’s a spiritual condition we are warned to stay on guard so that we don’t fall into temptation to sin

But God could just speak satan bound just like when Jesus cast out demons He only spoke it. I think it’s up to us, I believe that the great chain is the power and truth of the gospel which binds satan from deceiving us, but we have to play a part in it we have to choose to believe be obedient...

That was a reply to tribulationsign who mentioned that

But why have one if he is also locked in the abyss?

Why would you need that in a literal sense if he is also locked in a literal abyss?

Yes I agree with your view on the great chain and the thousand years that’s my purpose to this thread to get literalist to think about it. If the great chain and abyss are literal then there is no need for the great chain I don’t agree with your view on Jesus and Michael but thats a different...

Revelation 20 1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it...

Yes the wrath of God for the price of sin was satisfied on Jesus but that is not the wrath of God on unbelievers in Revelation. Jesus paid the price so we wouldn’t have to for sin but that has nothing to do with persecution on the church by men.

Well the word “the” was from the tribulation of the saints which isn’t the wrath of God.

When it says that God blinded them it’s not actually saying that God blinded them spiritually from being saved obviously not as many Jews had still been saved. It’s sayings that God held back from them just like when He hardened pharaohs heart Jesus died for all it will be each person’s...

Yes and as I have said before there are many tribulations and some of them are also Gods wrath but only one “the great tribulation“ the key word is “the” which sets it apart from other tribulations. The word “the” is there for a reason.

Yes but even the verse you quoted mentions wrath. There is a difference between the wrath of God and the great tribulation. The wrath is on the unsaved and the great tribulation is on the saints. Stephen, Paul and the apostles are a part of the great multitude from every tribe tong and nation...

But Revelation 7 tells us that the great tribulation is on the saints not unbelieving Israel. The wrath of God was on unbelieving Israel Put the events of Matthew 24 along with the 6 events in revelation chapter 6 and you will see that they line up and revelation 6 states that it’s the wrath...

I never said the greatest tribulation I said there is only one "the great tribulation" which is greater than other great tribulations and the ones in Revelation 7 aren't raptured I believe that they are martyred saints over all time.

Yes that is what I was saying

No I haven't changed my view at all and yes it does connect. I didn't say equals the great tribulation in Revelation 7, but the saints killed in Matthew 24 are part of the ones in Revelation from every tribe tong and nation. The key words are every tribe tong and nation, Israel is one of every...

Yes of course I agree, but they are also a part of the ones in Revelation from every tribe toung and nation. The ones in revelation are from all over the world since the first advent The key words are every tribe toung and nation, Israel is one of the every tribe toung and nation Israel in a...

The tribulation Jesus talks about on the saints in Matthew 24 is the same as Revelation. They are a part of the great multitude from every tribe toung and nation