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Which disproves what? Of course Christ being in heaven in Ch 5 is a past event. Which proves my point. Your questions are without any merit or reason. Just a bunch of meaningless words tossed on paper. The 24 elders have crowns. You don't get crowns until Jesus comes so obviously Jesus has...

Do you have thoughts on who the foolish virgins are? And I agree there are multiple harvests.

Please. Always with the bad logic. Here. Using your logic when the 1st seal is opened it is the noise of thunder. Revelation 6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder. Common sense goes a long way.

The fifth seal is the great tribulation which begins in the midst of the week. The tribulation is OVER with the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal Excellent. Very few understand that there will be two raptures. Welcome to the forum!

And yet you understand that wrath is not tribulation. The tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble, Jacob being Israel. The first bride of Christ is already in heaven as part of Israel cannot see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should...

It is falling away in my opinion. This doesn't change the fact that there will be a flying away before the seals are opened. And there will also be another flying away before wrath. This will happen before the generation that sees the fig tree begin to sprout leaves passes away.

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You seem to put a lot of words in my mouth. Just because Vatican City is that Great City does NOT mean that the Pope is the Antichrist. The Word says the beast hates the whore and makes her desolate. Secondly you seem to think that earthquake cannot split the Catholic Church. I think the same...

The timeline you posted is based on your understanding of the scriptures The discussion in the verses Paul posted has nothing to do with the pretribulation rapture. Paul is saying.......You are not in the Day of the Lord. The gathering from heaven and earth has not occurred. Before the Day of...

Pride month comes to mind.

I think your timeline would be less confusing if you added the pretribulation rapture where it goes. And the USA is Babylon? How could you possibly dream that up?

Just wondering why you would even have a slight inkling that God will not keep His promise to His chosen? Augustine and few others sold Christians some swamp land. Since there was no nation of Israel it was easy to teach this doctrine of man that the Church had replaced Israel to so many. From...

Doctrines of man? Very few understand that there are two raptures or harvests. One is before the seals are opened. Many men believe this. At one is at the 6th seal. Some believe this. But very, very, very few understand that both will occur. Agreed. However, the 7th seal contains the wrath of...

Okay. You've let that trip you up. Jesus says He is coming quickly in Revelation 3. And yet you claim that Jesus isn't even in heaven yet because of Revelation 5. If we use your incorrect logic, Jesus can't be slain in Revelation 5 because He does not get born until Revelation 12. Revelation 12...

The feasts of God show God's plan. There will be two harvests and Jesus will set up His kingdom on the earth. The facts say Jesus will return to the clouds for a harvest at the 6th seal when He will send His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth BEFORE the wrath of God. Here is that...

The rewards are given when Jesus comes as proven by scripture. The people in Chapter 3 are still alive. How can they have a crown that is not an earthly crown? The crowns we receive are incorruptible. 1 Corinthians 9 24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the...

Sorry, not buying that, nor should you. The crowns are not given until Jesus comes. What the verse is saying is that if you have earned a crown don't let anyone take it. He comes quickly and you will receive the crown when He comes. Revelation 22 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is...

Yes you were mistaken. I was just counting the main harvests but if we are counting raptures there are at least 5. See you there soon.

Yeah, I know. I used to think that too. There are two raptures. There is a grain harvest (barley and wheat) and a fruit harvest. Jacob had two brides. The fig tree has two harvests. One coming will be like the days of Noah, where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. Likewise, also, one...

Revelation 3 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Revelation 4 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of...