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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Other Scripture points out that He was resurrected. Three days into the 2nd half of the 70th week. He remained on earth for another 40 days into the 2nd half of the 70th week, before His ascension. He didn't remain cut off. The week wasn't cut off, and the 2nd half of the week wasn't cut...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The Prince that shall come is the First Coming. Scripture has proof that the First Coming already happened.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Messiah always was and is the Prince. Daniel 9 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The Church and the 144,000 Revelation 7:3-4 describe the 144,000 as “sealed.” That description is reserved in the NT for believers in Christ – His Body and Bride – His Church: 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Timtofly decapitates and futurizes the second half of the 70th week, along with Messiah's identity as the Prince. He's got the first half right, but not the second.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    So back to what we've agreed upon -- there is no harpadzo in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, confirmed by Strong/Thayer, and all English Bible versions.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Do you espouse a pretribulation harpadzo? If so, then perhaps you could be the first, if you're not aware of anyone else who has.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Did anyone before Morgan Edwards espouse a pretribulation harpadzo?
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Doesn't dispensationalism espouse a rapture?
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The Geneva Bible is a Reformation bible, pre-dating dispensationalism's rapture by more than two centuries. To a man, the Reformers recognized themselves to be in mortal spiritual combat with the antichrist of the apostasized papacy. One can only imagine their guffaws had the idea of a rapture...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    We see no such meaning either in Strong/Thayer or every English Bible version. That's more than sufficiently convincing for me.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    My goal posts have never moved off 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Glad you agree.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    That would rank as an "abomination of desecration" of the Word.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    We're examining 2 Thessalonians 2:3, not 1 Thessalonians 4:17. There's no "harpadzo" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Sorry, there's no "harpadzo" there. apostasia Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 646: ἀποστασία ἀποστασία, ἀποστασιας, ἡ (ἀφισταμαι), a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion: Acts 21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:3
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Not one English Bible version so much as hints at a rapture. Including Darby.
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    National Covenant

    Of course.
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    National Covenant

    No. The terms and conditions of a covenant are set forth before the covenant comes into force and effect. Those are clearly specified in Scripture. Ours are trust and believe. Once we trust and believe, God fulfills His terms and conditions -- forgiveness, redemption, blessing, et al. And...
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    Timing of the abomination of desolation

    Did the Judean Christians flee prior to 70 AD?
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    National Covenant

    Yes, Christ offers His New Covenant to every individual in every nation (Acts 10:35). But according to the definition of covenant, it only becomes a covenant for those individuals who fear God and work righteousness and trust and believe in Him. (Acts 10:35;Ephesians 1:12-13))
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