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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    We don't disagree here. The eternal age that shall come will not be physical until this age passages away. According to Paul we have entered spiritually into eternal life while still alive in this world. Colossians 3:1-4 (KJV) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Just one final comment. Since the age to come is eternal, I believe that once we have eternal life through Christ's Spirit in us, we have already, through promise, spiritually entered the Kingdom of God in heaven, which is entrance into the ages (plural, not ages only of this earth, but also...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I agree! And you actually used Scripture to prove the horses and their riders represent what comes to pass during the Gospel age of grace. It would seem you agree that Christ opened the seals by His cross, resurrection and ascension to heaven. So why do you argue the seals are not yet opened...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    It's only bizarre and we are far apart to you because I support what I believe from the Word of God, and YOU, well lets just say you have a wild imagination of what you think the Bible should say!! Sad really!
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Christ came physically with His spiritual Kingdom when He walked the earth a man. When His spiritual Kingdom that Christ now reigns from heaven in is complete, the last/seventh trumpet shall begin to sound that time (symbolized a thousand years) for building the spiritual Kingdom of God shall...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    There is much symbolism in The Revelation. For instance the first four seals introduce us to different colored horses that John describes. Certainly you would not interpret these four horses and riders literally? Rather you must use the description for what they represent to learn what this...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I've read Zechariah! Have you read Zechariah in light of what is written in the New Testament? Or do you believe Christ is not fulfillment of all that the prophets foretold of Him?
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    Warning about vaccines from doctors and scientists

    The Biblical doctrines you deny are not established in the Church from Roman Catholicism, rather they come directly from the Word of God. It seems you do not believe the Bible, or at the very least deny much of what is written??? Don't know what church if any you are affiliated with, but it...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    All I'm saying is that the spiritual life we have through His Spirit in us is ETERNAL and our spirit can never die. We don't have to wait until we physically die to enter the Kingdom of God spiritually, because we know and enter the Kingdom when we are born again of His Spirit. Since we have...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Jesus is saying You shall not know or understand (see) Me from this moment until you can say, Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord. He is not saying when they see Him with physical eyes and can say ....... Christ is speaking to those who refuse to acknowledge who He is and from...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The numbers found in the book of The Revelation are symbolic. A thousand years symbolizes time given the universal Church on earth to build the spiritual Kingdom of God through the proclamation of the Gospel. To prove this is a literal number or ONE thousand literal years, you would have to...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    When the last (seventh) trumpet begins to sound, time given this earth for being saved shall be no longer. That time is symbolized a thousand years. That is when Satan is loosed for a little season, and that little season quickly ends with the wrath of God by fire coming down out of heaven to...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Spiritually after physical death. Agree. Peace and blessings
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    If you can biblically prove what you allege, why haven't you???
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I agree we are still awaiting the age to come physically! But through His Spirit we have a down payment, or earnest of the age to come spiritually when we are born again. Spiritually speaking we have entered into the Kingdom of God even while we physically live. That's why Christ says...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Where in Ro 11 does Paul clearly express that blindness in part shall be lifted after the fullness of Gentiles have come in? How are these words of Christ a confirmation that blindness in part shall be lifted? I read where Christ, speaking to Jerusalem tells them "Behold, your house is left...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Yes, but the age to come for the faithful begins in heaven when we are born again of His Spirit in us. Then when we physically die, our spirit alive, a living soul returns to God in heaven. The 144,000 are the first to ascend to heaven a living spiritual body, so the 144,000 comes at the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Mt. Sion is in heaven, not on this earth. The 144,000 after being sealed with the Spirit in Rev 7, have gone from being under the altar (Rev 6) to heaven a spiritual body of believers alive, living souls now in heaven with the Lord. Revelation 14:1 (KJV) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    You haven't answered the question I asked? Where does Paul, for that matter the Bible show the blindness of Israel shall be lifted once the last of the Gentiles have come in???? Of course, you cannot present a single verse from Scripture that agrees with your unbiblical doctrine. You...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    It's even harder to believe how some, like you, try to force a literal reading into the Revelation of Jesus Christ. A book that is replete with symbolism. Bet you interpret Rev 12 as a literal great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads literally as well...