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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    While I'm fully in support of the spiritual fulfillment as you've laid out here, I also believe that when asked about the building and temple the words Christ spoke to His first century disciples were literally fulfilled when the Roman Army sacked the city and burned down the buildings in the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Let's start here. According to Rev 12 the war in heaven between Michael and his angles and Satan and his angels took place when Christ was born. Satan and his angels (demonic hosts) were cast out of heaven and to the earth then. But you say Satan and his angels are not now kicked out of...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    EXACTLY! Lifted up above the earth on the water that was still on the earth! It does not say it (ark & water) was lifted up OFF the earth! Genesis 7:18-23 (KJV) And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Have you no ability to reason/think? What do you think "FAITHFUL JEWS" means? These 144,000 of Old are JEWS WHO BELIEVED MESSIAH WOULD COME...hench that makes them Messianic believers who were Jews. Messianic means Messiah! It doesn't matter what ethnic nation one is from, IN CHRIST there is...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    THINK! If the 144,000 are not faithful Jews who died believing Messiah would come to redeem them, they would NOT be sealed! Only the faithful are sealed by the Spirit, and it has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity, but is according to faith. Jesus is the firstfruits! His spirit is...
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    RESURRECTION = Matthew 22;30-32

    Excellent passages from Scripture! Did you know some of these verses are depicting the "first resurrection" as well as the physical resurrection that shall be in an hour that is coming when ALL that are in the graves shall hear His voice and come forth for either resurrection to everlasting...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Tell that to the MANY martyrs for their faith! I don't believe you even know what "great tribulation" is???
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Anyone reading Scripture understands well the Church indeed does suffer through great tribulation and affliction in this world. There has never been a time when the Church has not suffered spiritual and physical "great tribulation" in this world. The Old Covenant nation, the chosen people of...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Yes, I agree! This time referenced in Scripture a thousand years that began with Christ coming to earth a man, and will end when this time given this earth shall be no longer. Then the age of new heaven and new earth shall begin for only immortality and incorruption. All things shall be made...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Redemptive history written in the Words of God proves that which spews out of the mouth of Satan began after the baptism of Christ, when the Spirit of God descended upon Him. Immediately after that, Satan began to spew from his mouth lies trying to tempt Christ to worship him. The war against...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The fire of God's wrath is not baptism of fire. It's called destruction by fire, and you do err greatly if you think God's wrath by fire shall not destroy whosoever and whatsoever is left alive on earth at that time. Baptism of fire that does not destroy human beings, is baptism of the Holy...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The flood of water in the days of Noah, I think we agree, was literally water that covered the surface of the earth. The flood I'm asking about is the flood that comes after the woman in Rev 12, from the mouth of the dragon. What is you understanding of the flood coming at the woman (Church)...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The ark did NOT leave the EARTH! When we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air, we shall leave this earth! I agree at that time we shall not go to heaven. I'm really not sure where in the air we shall be, but I imagine we will only be there long enough for this earth and all left alive on...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The ark was not lifted FROM the earth! It never left the earth that was flooded by water. Do you believe ships that sail upon the seas leave the earth when they are water bound? Of course not! The ark was a type of Christ saving them BY/THROUGH water. Just as Christ is not literally an ark...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I agree, when believers physically die we shall not be RESURRECTED a spiritual body in heaven. Our spirit, possessing eternal life through His Spirit in us will leave our deceased physical body to ascend a spiritual body of believers in heaven. Where we shall be until the last trumpet sounds...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I don't believe I'm missing biblical typology at all. The ark and those kept safe in it were the exceptions of the utter destruction of all that remained on the earth and perished by the water. The flood came and took all who remained outside the ark away. Not because the ark was lifted up...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Do you believe it was or shall be a literal flood of water?
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I'm confused by comments like this? Why do you speak as though Noah and family in the ark were "lifted up out of the world"? The ark wasn't lifted up out of the world, because the ark kept them safe from the water that covered the earth. If the water was on the earth, the ark and all who were...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    It is those words of adoration for the Temple and buildings that help me to understand when Christ warns His disciples of the coming "great tribulation" He was speaking of both the destruction of the city and Temple, as well as "great tribulation" that is ordained to them and whosoever in Christ...