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  1. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    I don't know what a Valentinian is. Ignatius believed Jesus was God. Unless there are two Gods,,,,then he also, in effect, believed in the trinity. IOW,,,he did not use the term Trinity,,,,as neither did the NT... but he affirmed that Jesus is God and that Jesus was human. This is known as the...
  2. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Paul WAS called Simon. Are you an ebionite? Paul was in the prison at the Roman Forum - the Mamertine Prison. We were discussing Ignatius of Antioch. Now we're discussing Paul? Too many rabbit trails Mono. I like to stick to the subject. Let's say it like this: You apparently do not agree...
  3. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    WHAT! WHERE are you getting this information from? I think your bias is showing through..... History is history and bias shouldn't change it.
  4. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    So how do you KNOW what they discussed?? It's your belief system that makes you doubt Mono. And I'm not even sure what it is BTW.
  5. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Oh. I've been to the prison in Rome where Paul spent some time. And where Peter was imprisoned and held in chains. Why is YOUR informtion correct and not mine?? Doubt is always shed on scholars from those that do not care to believe orthodox Christianity.... This is from Wikipedia: In the...
  6. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Let's go with what you've written. Polycarp was a student of John. Would Polycarp have taught Ignatius differently than what HE was taught? Why? I'm sure you must know that the bible is the most reliable book that goes back 2 thousand years. And all the writings we have from the early church...
  7. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Ignatius learned from John and from Peter. Why do you think he learned from Polycarp? St. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35–108) Directly from the Apostles: Tradition holds that he learned directly from the Apostles Peter, Paul, and John. He was a disciple of John the Apostle, who was the last of...
  8. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Yes sir. This is what I hear from our Protestant brothers. IT'S CALLED SCRIPTURE or IT'S NOT IN THE NT Mono,,,,history continued after John died and wrote the last letters. And Ignatius did believe Jesus to be God. Ignatius (AD 50-117) was the bishop at the church in Antioch and also a...
  9. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    @MonoBiblical Here's more,,,but I'll be back later. You don't have to become Catholic to know church history. I'm living proof. We know St. Ignatius was a student of John through the writings of early church fathers like Irenaeus, who provide a historical "paper trail" connecting Ignatius to...
  10. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    @MonoBiblical Mono,,,this is also from Gemini.... which is why it should NOT be used for study purposes. The answer will always depend on HOW the question is worded. Yes, St. Ignatius of Antioch was a direct disciple of the Apostle John, and is considered an Apostolic Father due to this...
  11. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Oh so you're going to use Gemini now to do your studies? Do you use Gemini for your Greek studies too? (which I'll be reply to later on BTW - in the other thread). Here, take at look at YouTube - that's pretty easy. Even Gavin Ortland is there....a bit of everything. OR You could read the...
  12. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    What a great picture of the leader of Christendom! Love it. At least he doesn't FORCE the members of his church to go door to door begging persons to join or they'd be kicked out of the "fellowship". At least the members of his church can LEAVE IT without being abandoned/shunned by even their...
  13. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Hi Mono.... Just came upon your post. Here's what I use..... but you could look it up for yourself...it's easy to do nowadays. It's kind of like asking if we could source that Washington was the first president. It's HISTORY. Problem is...we Protestants do not like church history.
  14. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    Tomorrow... Past midnight here. Why the question marks?
  15. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    We're it not so sad.... The hypocrisy would be amusing. I mean of Auntie Jane.
  16. GodsGrace

    No Escape : From Hell

    Nothing further to say. The first sentence of your last PP is rather horrifying.
  17. GodsGrace

    Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

    MY LORD AND MY GOD Thomas OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR Titus 2:13 ? The Jews were going to stone Him....for blaspheming, claiming to be God. This was the first century.
  18. GodsGrace

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Never heard this before. So when Jesus said He came to give us a life more abundant...what did He mean? Not going to debate this...its a bit off the rails. Pretty shocking to be honest. You believe no one can know theyre saved? And what about the infinitive verb? Eph 2:8 Read it in different...
  19. GodsGrace

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    What is an infinitive verb? If none are safe,,,then you believe the NT does NOT give instruction on how to be saved? Then what did Jesus preach during His ministry? Isn't this what the beatitudes was about? (finding a precious pearl,etc)
  20. GodsGrace

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    LOL I know.... you said that. What I'm asking is: WHAT does this mean? Ephesians states that our faith saves us. So apart from the fact that it seems you don't believe Paul.... What do you mean by miracles save? Do you mean that it's a miracle that anyone is saved??