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I refer you back to my last post that rebuts your claims.

Checkmate! Now you know why many of us abandoned Pretrib. It is extra-biblical. It is a Jesuit deception.

If you're indeed right, then give me the post on this thread, since you agreed to address Scripture without ad hominem. I have not seen it. Then, be willing to discuss it.

Pretrib has nothing. Why would Pretribbers engage when they have nothing to bring to the table? Your avoidance reinforces that reality.

No. Jacob's trouble is long gone. The 144k are in heaven before this - before the throne. They have already been raised from the earth. These are the firstfruits of the great commission 2000 years ago. The Gospel is then preached to the nations. There is no mention of the 144k in the final...

Where does it mention the 144,000 there? Nowhere! You force it into the text to support what you have been taught. This is called adding unto Scripture.

Revelation 14:14-20, “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man (Christ), having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel (angel 1) came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the...

Where is that biblical post?

How about discussing Scripture, like you promised. I am waiting!

There is nothing here that supports a Pretrib rapture. I'm not sure what you're pushing that.

You will wait a long time. She has nothing. That is why she is running.

Listen to the way you talk. Listen to the language you use. You seem totally incapable of having a normal Christian conversation with others. Who said "the Holy Spirit botched" anything?

Why would they bring any more Scripture to the table because their understanding of it has been utterly refuted? That is why they are all running for the trenches.

What are you scared of? We are trying to get you to discuss Scripture, but you would not.

Read the evidence and stop being blinkered.

Really? Show us. Link to it.

Op Note Most of us know that there is no rebuttal to the truth of God. That is why Pretribbers have no answer to the Op. It is near impossible to get them to address a text, exegete a text, and flesh out a text. That is because no Scripture supports their error. It forbids Pretrib. The Bible...

Typical response. Avoid the texts before you. Refuse to acknowledge the detail that forbids your error and then distract unto another text that forbids your error. When that is refuted, you keep this cycle of avoidance going. You convince yourself that you are right by this tactic. How sad and...

Jesus said in Luke 17:24-34: “For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe...

Not true! He has tried numerous times with you and other Pretribbers and you have avoided the scriptural arguments. I have tried to get you away from this perosnal stuff and unto Scripture but you do not seem to want to go. Why not?