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I believe that Jesus returns as described in Revelation 19 at the end of the wrath of God. I also believe that Jesus return at the 6th seal before the wrath of God begins. The 6th seal coming of Jesus is not the same as the Revelation 19 coming of Jesus. Silly things? Go read Genesis 7. It is...

All you have done is prove my point. And yet you do not understand that you proving my point. So the sun turns dark and the moon to blood before the day of the Lord. And yet Matthew 24 says that the tribulation is over before the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Matthew 24 29 Immediately...

Those that the Lord is coming for will hear His voice. Others will only hear thunder and see lightning. John 10 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: John 12 28 Father, glorify thy name. Then...

Wow. We have an absolutely PERFECT timeline. The 1st 6 seals line up exactly with Matthew 24. We can the Great Tribulation in both the seals and Matthew 24. Then Jesus comes for a harvest and the wrath of God begins. And somehow you think that the Great Tribulation ends up after the 1000 years...

Rapture passage. 1 Thes 4 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the...

So you think that the kings and priests in Revelation 5 that come out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; are those raised with Jesus resurrection. Well that's totally impossible. There is not the slightest of chances that you are correct. Jesus ministry was to the house of...

I'll keep it as simple as I can. Here is the Church in heaven before the seals are opened. Revelation 5 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and...

What you are saying is something that you have incorrectly concluded. You have no scriptural support. How do I know that? Because scripture says that the great multitude is before the throne which is in heaven. Revelation 7 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could...

I'm thinking that you mistyped. I think you mean that I am forcing the 7th trumpet into Revelation 19. Read this. Revelation 11 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and...

The Biblical proof that the tribulation is over before the wrath of God begins can be found in these verses. The signs of the sun, moon and stars mark the event of the coming of Jesus at the 6 seal before wrath begins. As the Word says, the tribulation is OVER. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after...

According to the Word. Yes.

The great multitude is the result of the gathering from heaven and earth. Mark 13. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. The Church is gathered from heaven as the dead...

Yes and I showed you the evidence in Isaiah 34 that the day of the wrath lasts one year. And like I said that is not the only evidence. So here is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal, prior to the wrath of God. Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat...

Do you think that great multitude just magically appeared in heaven. They are there because He went and got them, just as He promises. The great multitude is in heaven during the one year wrath of God and Jesus is there with them. Please. The first four seals are the "beginning of sorrows" in...

Certainly it does. Read it in context. The wrath of God lasts one year. That said, in Revelation 6 we see just before wrath, that the heavens are rolled together as a scroll. We also see the stars fall from heaven who are the host of heaven, as a fig tree cast her figs. Revelation 6 13 And the...

I think his point was an excellent one. Take what you are saying for instance. You make an error and then build everything you say around it. It never occurs to you that there is a beast of the earth and beast of the sea. You quote Revelation 11 as being about "The" Antichrist. You confuse the...

Thank you for your response. OK, now let me ask you to read the text. "For the great day of His wrath is come and who is able to stand." The day of wrath lasts one year. Isaiah 34 8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

No sir. It is the end of the age, BEFORE the 7th seal and the wrath of God begins. Why do so many ignore the fact that the wrath of God cannot begin before the 7th seal is opened. Therefore the events of the 6th seal are not the events of the 7th trumpet. Tribulation and wrath are not the...

Jesus does leave heaven at the 6th seal. Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him...

Obviously? Steven is part of the Church and the dead in Christ will obviously be resurrected before the seals are opened.