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It can mean many different ways of dying for Christ and that's what I actually believe. Once again my point was that futurist take revelation literally except when its convenient not too.

Of course, there are saints being beheaded today I have no idea why you are even saying this what's your point as I have never denied that? My point was none of the 12 disciples were beheaded and that poster was saying that the ones in Revelation 20:4 were the 12 disciples

Partial not full LOL

Of course they were literally martyred I have never heard of any amill or any futurist ever saying that these saints weren't martyred. My point is that futurist believe in a literal interpretation until its not convenient

Because the verse says that they were beheaded. Isn't it supposed to be literal?

Except that none of the 12 disciples were recorded as being beheaded

Yes I agree the Olivet Discourse has nothing to do with the end times as for the 7 year tribulation it isn't found anywhere in the bible including in revelation and the term antichrist isn't found anywhere in revelation either.

Yes it is thank you my wife and four children but it is almost 10 years old now so I have a couple of grey hairs LOL. I do enjoy your post

What did it say right before that 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had...

Then I guess we walk through it literally with thanksgiving in Psalm 100 too

Is the church on earth whenGod destroys it with fire?

Of course there is only one body I didn't say otherwise that's why the church is the new Jerusalem

The gates aren't literal gates Psalm 100:4 New King James Version 4 Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, And into His courts with praise. Be thankful to Him, and bless His name.

See post #20 Yes it seams it but when you study it you will see that the description is symbolic for the church. See Revelation 3:12 The foundation of the church were the 12 apostles we entered His gates the through Israel their is no temple or sun and moon Why would it have even have...

The bible shows that the verse below isn't literal the pillar is symbolic and so is the temple because there is no temple in the new Jerusalem Revelation 3 12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name...

Lets put it this way Revelation 20 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. This is not talking about Jerusalem, I believe that its talking about the church the city God loves...

Because all believers spiritually come to life when we are saved the above verse is just showing that the ones martyred still come to life even when physically dead.

Where does the bible says that they are Israel or that they are even the first fruits?

I don't believe that myself and i'm amil

See post #8