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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    Now you're confusing me? You earlier said those who have been resurrected shall return with the Christ when He returns. Now you say the rapture and resurrection are one in the same??? If you are speaking of the bodily resurrection of dead saints who shall be resurrected and changed to...
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    Yes, it is, I agree! Because only those who have part in resurrection life before they physically die shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air at His coming again on the last day.
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    Then why are you demanding we conform to your belief system regarding Zechariah 14? It doesn't seem as though you are doing what you demand of others, "prostrate ourselves and cast our own crowns before Him = never imposing our view in His Presence/Word"!
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    Paul makes no distinction or difference when saying the day of the Lord and the day of Christ. Paul doesn't treat them at two separate days as you are.
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    Yes, those who come with Christ are those who have been resurrected. However, Scripture informs us that none shall be bodily resurrected before the hour coming in which bodies are physically resurrected either to resurrection life, or damnation. In what body will those who return with Christ...
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    The problem with this statement is that you are assuming Paul is speaking of sudden destruction upon "them" as speaking of Israel. Because you've taken the verse out of context to prove an unbiblical opinion or preconception. We know who "them" is when we put the verse back in the context for...
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    Yes Tim, they shall all be destroyed! That is exactly why they wonder who shall be able to stand on the Day of Him who sits on the throne, because only those who are found in the book of life shall NOT be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death. ALL of the DEAD shall be called to...
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    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    They aren't asking who shall be able to survive the wrath of God coming against the whole earth to destroy them all (unbelievers). They are asking who shall be able to stand after His wrath is poured upon the whole earth, and they are called before Him that sitteth on the throne, who shall THEN...
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    More biblical proof that supports Amillennialism

    I agree the OT saints by grace through faith were covered by Christ's atoning blood, according to Covenant promise. They believed the prophesy preached of the Messiah who would come to cleanse them of sin and redeem them from death. It is in this way the Old Covenant faithful saints were...
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    More biblical proof that supports Amillennialism

    But earlier you said deception is not sin, and now you say Adam disobeyed God, and sin entered the world and messed things us. The way they committed sin and disobeyed God was in heeding the voice of deception. IOW being deceived caused sin to enter into creation, and death came through this...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    What about what the Lord Jesus tells the prophets? He says this time is given so the Gospel of the Kingdom would be preached unto all the earth, then comes the end, not ONE thousand more years of time. Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I don't find this opinion proposed of Christians. I don't know of any brother or sister in Christ who would argue Christians are free to live like the devil and still have eternal life in Christ. The truth is that anyone who claims the name of Christ and believes we can do whatever we want and...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    True, context is the key to understanding. So why do you quote verses out of context? For instance, in Ro 11:22 who is Paul speaking of? I ask because in verses 1 & 2 Paul says that God shall not cast away His people whom He foreknows. Read in context we learn that salvation is according to...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    How do you reconcile your understanding of these verses against the verses that also tell us that when we are saved we are eternally secure through Christ? Can biblical doctrine contradict and still be trustworthy?
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    What's the purpose for a thousand years? Does not John say it was to prevent Satan from deceiving the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled? We know how the nations were being deceived before Satan was bound, by his ability to hold people in bondage to fear of death, and...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Rev 10 is the only passage connecting the seventh trumpet with the mystery of God that should be fulfilled, when there should be time no longer. Can you prove the mystery fulfilled when time is no longer is not the fullness of the Kingdom of God? And what is the time given where the saints...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Because according to the Covenant ordained in heaven from before the foundation of the world, Christ is the Lamb slain for His people. Faith in His blood covers whosoever believes in Him no matter when they lived and died. How can saints as living souls after death live and reign with Christ in...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I'm not causing contradiction, nor rejecting what shall be all consummating nature of the return of Christ in the day, which is the final day of the days when the trumpet shall sound. Yes, I agree the seventh trumpet indeed ushers in the time of general judgment coming upon the earth. This...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Well Paul, I partly agree because Amils do typically build their beliefs using ALL of Scripture. I cannot agree that I have not done this when seeking to fully understand the sounding of the seventh trumpet associated with Rev 10. I haven't forced my opinion upon the text, but rather I have...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I believe John writes the souls alive in heaven are there because while still alive they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. John also writes there shall be others blessed and holy, he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall...