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  1. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    I would want that someone to answer the question ~ truthfully, of course ~ and tell me what I must do to be saved. If I was hitting the ball badly and had some flaw in my golf swing, and I asked the club pro what I needed to do to fix it, I would want him or her to tell me, so then I could, you...
  2. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Nope. Yes, convicted by the Spirit. Yes. :) Grace and peace to you.
  3. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Uh, well, "CHuckle!!" right back atcha. I'm not propagating that in any way, shape, form, or fashion. Wait. Is this a continuation of the above, and therefore the myth you're talking about? If so, yes, I agree. In fairness, though, Truther (I get a kick out of that moniker... <chuckles>)...
  4. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Oh, boy... LOL! And what "myth" would that be, Bob? I'm rather eager to hear. :) Wow. The lack of grace on this board is quite astounding. Grace and peace to you, Bob.
  5. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    No, it didn't, Truther. They did it in response to what the knew they had received ~ the mercy and grace of God ~ and secondarily because of Peter's exhortation. Any claim otherwise is patently false, as that is the context of the passage and, specifically, Peter's context in issuing the...
  6. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    The Spirit brings to remembrance Paul's statement in 2 Timothy 4, that "...the time is coming..." ~ is now here ~ "...when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to...
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    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Eh... Really, rather than a pivotal verse, I would say the pivotal Person of the entire Bible is God ~ Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I think we would all agree on that, but that speaks to the central issue, Truther, that for so many, the "gospel" they believe and preach and teach ~ perhaps...
  8. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    I'm not even sure what to make of all this, Phoneman, to be quite honest. No Calvinist denies people making or not making choices of all kinds, and, experientially speaking, perfectly freely. Paul, in Romans 9:16, does not say ~ of course ~ that man does not have a will or that he cannot make...
  9. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    But in saying this, Phoneman, you're saying our salvation depends on our choice. At least that's what I think I hear, and if I'm correct, that is in direct opposition to Romans 9:16, which says our election, which is of God, depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy...
  10. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Well, yes, but a refusal to choose is itself a choice, is it not? :) Grace and peace to you, Phoneman.
  11. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Nobody "skips Acts." "Cessationists..." "Dumbfounded by the epistles..." LOL! My goodness. Come quickly, Lord Jesus. Grace and peace.
  12. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    So you think. I think... differently. Like I say, we can agree to disagree. Grace and peace to you.
  13. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    I agree with you that the Bible was put together in a specific order. But Truther, knowledge and teaching are both spiritual gifts, given by God through His Spirit, as He wills. We see this clearly in what Paul says: "For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have...
  14. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Whether anybody disagrees with me or not is irrelevant. So no, people are the "problem" ~ which is not to say that some people are problems and others are not, but rather that the problem is that people tend to lean on their own understanding, which God, in Proverbs, specifically warns us not...
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    John Calvin and Calvinism.

    The Old and New Testament both teach that this is the natural human state and cannot be escaped at any point in our lives. We have a sinful nature from birth. Since this is our nature ~ we are naturally of satan ~ if we are not given a new nature ~ born again of by water and the Spirit and...
  16. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Like I said, it's not really the versions that are the problem. People are still the problem. :) And your lacking-in-substance response was... well, as expected. Grace and peace to you.
  17. PinSeeker

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Exactly. But we are not saved BY faith. God gives us faith, but faith is not what we are saved by. We are saved by God. Just like the touchdown resulting from the pass that went through the air to the receiver was thrown by the quarterback. :) Thanks for that. Yeah we have a great and...
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    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    LOL! Yes and no. I'm sure there will be rolling of eyes, but allow me to explain: The English Standard Version (ESV) and New American Standard Bible (NASB) ~ and many other versions, but those are my two go-to versions, along with the New International Version (NIV) ~ translate the Greek to...
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    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Um, yes. :) LOL! Ah! Stop right there. See, that's the problem, or at least part of it. It says "saved through water," not "saved by water," Titus. To say "saved by water" is a very different thing than saying "saved through water," which makes me a bit incredulous that I should even have...
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    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Nope. See above. They weren't literally (or simplistically) saved by the ark that Noah built. The ark represents what Noah and His family were saved by, and we can look at Hebrews 13 and easily see that, "(b)y faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear...