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Right, but the thing is, Christ4Me, these "believers" who go astray were never really believers in the first place. That's John's point; read it again: "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it...

Yes! The grace of God and the Prince of Peace be with you. (not the Force) :) Or, in the words of God and then Aaron, "the LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD lift up His countenance upon you and give you peace." Okay, well...

Well, I'm a Calvinist (and I know others... :)), but my theology helps me to have a greater trust/faith in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit than I ever would have thought possible. Well, it's really because Paul said, in Romans 9... or asked, really, rhetorically: "Has the...

I don't know. Did you ask me to not bother you? Or insinuate that I was bothering you in some way? What a strange question... Grace and peace to you.

I think we're talking about disparate things, Christ4Me. There are indeed many now who think they are Christians, but their hearts are not converted. They are antichrists, as John says in 1 John 2. These are "false sons." Not that I presume to be able to know about any one person, because...

Regarding Jesus's teaching in John 14:6, there is no dispute. Again, if you suppose me to be denying it, you can perish that thought, because I am not, in any way. And I say he did... although whether he knew Christ or not is never directly said... and we can know this because of Acts 10:2...

There are some who are with us now (think they are brothers and sisters in Christ) but who will not remain with us (will go out from us, proving they were never of us. This is exactly what John says in 1 John 2:19... "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us...

But perception is not reality, Titus. I'm not sure how you suppose me to be denying this in any way. Nor do I care, with all due respect. Grace and peace to you.

Not necessarily. Just because he's exhorting them (and us too) not be hearers only but doers, too, does not mean they actually were hearers only. Sure. Grace and peace to you.

Absolutely not. Quite the opposite. Grace and peace to you.

Yes, and both of those things would be absolutely ridiculous ideas. Grace and peace to you.

Absolutely. Well, not directly, or in so many words, but yes, I did. We all need to be reborn of the Spirit before this can happen. Until then, we are dead in sin. Salvation is of the Lord. Grace and peace to you.

Heh heh. Good comeback. I gotta say, though, you're posts have been sorely lacking in humility... :) It does seem to me that you are a redeemed sinner, Robert. :) But still, you sin (as do I), and thus we are sinners. But, thanks be to God, we are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb...

Not necessarily. He was addressing them as believers who had been given saving faith, but probably knew full well that some who would hear what he said were not really believers (false sons, as we sometimes call them). Really, it's not about faith, but about resting on faith to the exclusion...

No, Acts 10:2 itself says Cornelius was "a devout man who feared God with all his household..." So yes, he prayed continually, but he was obviously converted, having a regenerate heart; that he was devout and feared God affirms that. No, God's salvific act and His call and justification...

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I said in post 153 on the previous page. Except that, you know, the way I said it was far, far more eloquent... :) I'm being facetious... hackin' atcha... :D Grace and peace to you.

AH! Humility! I love it! :) Grace and peace to you, RobertDerrick.

LOL! Enoch. Come on, my friend. Do you not acknowledge a big difference between the following two things? 1. The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men (Titus 2:11; emphasis added) NOTE: Paul states this same thing in Romans 1, writing of unbelievers, "For the wrath of...

Exactly. Grace and peace to you, farouk.

Well, either that or denying that Christ's sacrifice was sufficient to accomplish our salvation... or at least that we need Christ plus something we contribute to gain salvation. But yes, that's right. Grace and peace to you.