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    What is Predetermined?

    Well, Jesus actually calls them a name of sorts... "workers of iniquity." It's "workers of lawlessness" in other translations. Even so, they are still, in Matthew 7:22, trying to justify themselves as having done the same things as those He will have just told, "Come, you who are blessed by my...
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    dont understand end times

    what is the millenium? The millennium of Revelation 20 is not a literal 1000-year period either before Christ returns (this is the Post-Millennial view) or after Christ returns (this is the Pre-Millennial view). It is the the age we are in now, since Pentecost and up to Christ's return, the...
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    What is Predetermined?

    Hey, RDB, I'm truly with you on the subject being discussed here (OSAS, predestination, etc.), but I will take issue with this, particularly what you are saying about God's foreknowing, which is the basis of this predestination. In particular, I'm referring to Romans 8:29, "For those whom he...
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    What is Predetermined?

    Well, I would say that those Jesus is referring to there are those who, as of now, think they have no need of salvation. But at the final Judgment ~ which is what Jesus is talking about here (see Matthew 25:31-46, as it more fully fleshes out that event, which will happen shortly after Christ's...
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    What is Predetermined?

    As I have said several times, Lifelong_sinner, there are OSAS believers that have incorrect understandings of that doctrine, one of them being those who either knowingly or inadvertently subscribe to antinomianism, or "against the law" ~ the terribly incorrect doctrine that Christians are freed...
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    What is Predetermined?

    Well, God is certainly not surprised by anything. So there's that. But hey, a lot of folks I know do a lot of things I'm not surprised by in the least. I'm like, "Yeah, I'm not surprised he/she did that." Does that mean, then, that I predetermined what they would do? Well no, of course not...
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    John Calvin and Calvinism.

    They're only perceived contradictions, JF1, and perception is not always reality. In this case they are certainly not, as I clearly explained in this very thread, and you can see for yourself in my posts 43, 47, 85, 93, 110, and 116. But, hey, you know, people kind of decide what they want...
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    John Calvin and Calvinism.

    GodsGrace, Joel could not be referring to Romans 10 or anything Paul said, because at the time of Joel's prophecy, Paul was yet to be born... for centuries. Yes, but, well, I refer you back to my previous post, namely that it is God who makes the first move (as you yourself have said) and...
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    John Calvin and Calvinism.

    Take all the time you need, my friend. Yes, some probably do believe that, but that is in error. He doesn't "not love" some, and not really any less, but just not in the same sovereign, salvific way that he does others. I have two kids, and I love them because they are my kids, but that does...
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    John Calvin and Calvinism.

    Unconditional election does not in any way "remove free will." Here: Adam chose to reject our Creator, and, through Adam’s disobedience, humanity fell into sin (Gen. 3; Rom. 5:12–21). Total depravity says that sin has so twisted us that apart from grace, we love other things more than we love...
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    John Calvin and Calvinism.

    Right, well I would say both; descriptive and prescriptive. See, there is more to this question than you realize, I think. Do you know what Old Testament passage John is referring to when he says 'whosoever' in John 3:16? He's referring to Joel 2:32. Here's that whole passage: “And it...
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    John Calvin and Calvinism.

    GodsGrace, your idea of the God described by the Reformers and those that have come after is quite different that what it really is. No person with any modicum of knowledge of the reformed understanding of God would disagree that God loves His creation... all of it, and especially us, who He...
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    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    But Receiving the Holy Ghost, BGR, is a direct result of God's having justified us and given us the Holy Spirit. Water baptism ~ if we were not baptized as infants ~ is the outward sign and seal of the promise for ourselves and other believers... in other words a sacrament given to us by God...
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    Questions for OSAS deniers.

    Yeah, regarding the "open check book" thing, I guess I can understand that something may seem different than it really is to anybody. But just because it seems so doesn't then mean that it is so. And in the case of the "open check book" thing... it's not so. Okay, try this, Cooper: Paul...
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    John Calvin and Calvinism.

    We ourselves do, but our desires are driven by our nature, by what and who we are in our inner selves, our heart. No, the question is, who or what decides whether or nature remains as it is or becomes something new... whether we are left as we are, left to ourselves... or changed into something...
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    John Calvin and Calvinism.

    * "It's God who knew we would fail (He did not predestine the failure) and created a plan to still save we humans, if we so wished. The plan was The Christ and whether or not we chose to accept, believe, and follow Him." No Calvinist ~ if he truly understands Scripture as John Calvin did ~...
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    John Calvin and Calvinism.

    Sure! I don't think I'm alone in this, but that's always my goal. One of them, anyway... :) Yeah, that's kind of an easy pit to fall into on a message board, I think. Hmm, well, I'd have to be able to grasp the concept you have of this "reformed God." I think I have an idea what you mean...
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    Questions for OSAS deniers.

    Of course, if the Spirit is not at work bearing His fruit through the person instead, and the person is dwelling in any of these things. But if the person is walking in the Spirit ~ also, in Christ ~ he or she will not be doing such things but rather bearing the fruit of the Spirit, listed in...
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    Questions for OSAS deniers.

    Straight from the mouth (keyboard :)) of a dyed-in-the-wool "OSAS" <chuckles>: Right OSASs (because there are wrong OSASs, because they believe differently because they misunderstand certain things in the true OSAS doctrine) believe ~ know, because Paul is very clear in Romans 6 ~ that: We...
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    Comparing KJV With ESV

    It is. There was no "gap." Adam and Eve were the first humans and the parents of Cain and Abel. The only gap was between conception of Cain and Abel and their birth, which was, I'm pretty sure, about nine months. :) I guess there was possibly a honeymoon for Adam and Eve preceeding that...