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fb i disagree with that, thats what Faith is given for, assurance. Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. The word substance is the greek word hypostasis and means: confidence, firm trust, assurance I agree with the esv translation of this...

Yeah thats fine as long as you understand that believing there is the fruit of the Spirit. Its when people make believing a product from the mind of the natural man, to make it a condition to Justification, that it becomes a work salvation issue !

The eternal security of the saints has always been secured since the credit of it belongs to Gods power in preserving them. They who endure to the end have Gods preserving them to Thank ! Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved The enduring to the end is a...

When you make believing a condition of the application of justification/salvation then you make it a work.

Jbf So I must conclude that you don't believe the blood of Christ in and of itself applies salvation to those it was shed for. You believe instead that man's act of faith or believing does. That's salvation by works, by what man does. Believing is a act of man which is a work.

That's what I'm saying. So then, Christs blood in and of itself does not apply salvation, but mans act of faith or believing . Is that what you are saying ? I just want to be sure.

So then, Christs blood in and of itself does not apply salvation, but mans act of faith or believing . Is that what you are saying ? I just want to be sure.

Justified by Faith is for the good of the justified one, Faith gives them a spiritual knowledge and assurance in regards to their Justification ! Heb 11:1

So then Christs death in and of itself does not perfect the ones He died for. Is that what you believe ?

jbf This scripture proves that sinners Christ died for are eternally secure even from the womb, His death hath perfected them forever before God, even when they are in unbelief !

fb Thats a bogus accusation, Abraham was Justified before God way before the sacrificing of Isaac, by him being willing to do that was proof of having already been Justified by the imputed righteousness of Christ. The very story being told is for the benefit of believers, before men, it showed...

James 2:24 is speaking about justification before men. And to be honest with you, good works before men, do not necessarily mean one has Justification before God

You must distinguish the two, thats called rightly dividing the word of truth. James is speaking of Justification before men with works, as Paul even stated Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be...

No but it fits in with the rest of the bible !

James is speaking about justification before men not God, however Justification before God is solely on the Merits of Christ apart from any obedience from the sinner. In fact hes Justified before God by Christs blood even while being enemies and ungodly. What Grace !

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Yeah they were never saved, did you read Lk 8:13

Besides the scripture you quoted, you have given nothing but your way of thinking ! Man has a ability to choose, but no ability to choose spiritually good since hes dead spiritually. If a man chooses spiritually good, its because they had been made alive first spiritually by newbirth like mary...

hey I believe James is talking about Justification before men not before God. That would contradict Paul in Rom 4:2 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Works before Faith I believe are dead works and having nothing to do with Salvation. The Blood of Christ purifies His People from dead works Heb 9:14 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead...