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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yeah, just ignore the context of the verse. The consummation is related to the consummation of the destruction of the city and the sanctuary. That happened in 70 AD.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    The point is that there is no basis for assuming that the trumpet events occur after the seal events. The fact that the trumpets are described after the seals does not prove anything in relation to the sequence of events one way or another. That is not indicated in the text. You're making that...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You're welcome! This time try to remember what I believe. Jesus. Do you agree that when He confirmed the new covenant with His sacrifice and His blood that it made the old covenant sacrifices and offerings obsolete? That is what Daniel 9:27 is talking about when it refers to the "He" who...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Why would you assume that when the text is contained within the most highly symbolic book in the entire Bible? The two witnesses are said to be "two olive trees" and "two candlesticks" (or lampstands). How does that fit the idea of them representing two individuals? In Revelation 1:20...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    So, how do you interpret Hebrews 11:13 which says that the people of faith, which included Enoch, all died? Hebrews 11:5 does not say that Enoch never died. He was taken up at that time so that he didn't die at that time, but Hebrews 11:13 indicates that he must have died later. Why are you not...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Exactly. But, he thinks we're the bad guys just because we expose the flaws in his false beliefs. The problem is not us. The problem is his extreme pride and stubbornness that is reflected in his unwillingness to acknowledge that he is mistaken and needs to adjust his beliefs accordingly.
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why don't you recall that? Do you have a memory problem? I've talked about how I interpret Daniel 9:24-27 many times. How can you not remember? Daniel 9:27 is about the confirming of the new covenant by the blood of Jesus that put an end to the old covenant animal sacrifices and offerings and...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    And I saw how you treat others, so it was no surprise for you to call me a "clown man". Pal. You can dish it out, but can't take it just like so many others on this forum.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    There is more than one definition of the word "flood". It does not have to refer to a literal flood caused by water, if that's what you're thinking. For example, a 911 operator can be said to receive a flood of phone calls after a mass casualty event occurs. The destruction of Jerusalem came...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I'll pray for your wife and his wife, also. I guess I might as well mention that my wife is going through immunotherapy treatments for cancer as well, so I'd appreciate your prayers.
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    What the prophecy specifically indicates had to be fulfilled by the end of the 70 weeks were the six things listed in Daniel 9:24 and the confirming of the covenant, which we know Jesus did by confirming the new covenant, during the 70th week. That's it. You are reading things into the text that...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Do you think that each day of the last days is 1,000 years in duration? Which would mean that almost 2 of the last days have been completed so far? Peter indicated that the last days refers to the time period during which scoffers scoff at the promise of Christ's second coming (2 Peter 3:3-4)...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Hmmm. Maybe you should make that more clear when you're doing that then. Yes, he does and I agree with that, but I think the vials are parallel also and, for some reason, he doesn't. I see that as him being inconsistent. The book of Revelation is not just a chronological telling of events, so...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Why are you being so stubborn and not acknowledging what is indicated in Hebrews 11:13? Maybe you need it spelled out to you. Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    It's almost impossible to get him to give straightforward answers to straightforward questions. That's what happens when people have something to hide or are unwilling to acknowledge that their beliefs have been refuted.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    He contradicts himself constantly. He'll make a blanket statement and say that spirit beings must have physical hosts, but then he acknowledges that angels operate outside of physical hosts (I think). And he won't even address how it's possible that demons can exist after they are cast out of...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    There is absolutely nothing that says the destruction of the city and the sanctuary had to occur during the 70 weeks. The destruction of earthly Jerusalem and the temple buildings was a residual effect of the Jews having rejected Christ and His establishment of the new covenant by way of His...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    LOL. None of that relates to the point I'm making which is that Satan is a real spirit being who tempted Jesus in the desert. NOTHING you're saying is refuting that. You say that Satan is the spirit of fallen man or mankind. So, what man was there with Jesus in the desert that was talking to...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I have addressed ALL of your arguments MANY times, so don't pretend otherwise. You are the one using diversion tactics to avoid addressing my arguments. But, oh no! I guess I'm personally attacking you by pointing that out.