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So you're saying John wasn't a Christian? John included himself: 1 John 1:8-9 (NKJV) 8 If WE say that WE have no sin, WE deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in US. 9 If WE confess OUR sins, He is faithful and just to forgive US OUR sins and to cleanse US from all unrighteousness.

I would actually be happy if OSAS is true, but it's not. Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV) 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you...

So now you're admitting I'm a Christian? Make up your mind. OSASers here have indeed declared me as unsaved. If you deny that you're not being honest!

I was judging the OSAS doctrine, not you. Reality is, I am a Bible believing Christian and OSASers say I'm not. There you go judging again. Judging others is quite OSAS! "I was judging the OSAS doctrine, not you." You are judging me. You're doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing.

Written to Christians: Philippians 2:12 (NKJV) 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; No OSAS!

Don't edit out my intention. That's not very Christian. Oh that's right, you never sin, right? "So you're saying John wasn't a Christian? 1 John 1:8-9 (NKJV) 8 If WE say that WE have no sin, WE deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in US. 9 If WE confess OUR sins, He is faithful and just to...

Yes, I fear God. Do you? Philippians 2:12 (NKJV) 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; Yes that's written to Christians. No OSAS in the Bible!

I think it's against Forum rules for you to judge me not a Christian. What don't I believe? OSAS? True, but I believe in Jesus of the Bible, the Savior! Luke 6:37 (NKJV) 37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Anyone who says he/she doesn't sin is lying! And that's a sin!

True indeed! Revelation 20:10 (NKJV) 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

What don't I understand? I believe in Jesus of the Bible, the Savior.

Great! I'm a Bible believer. If you're right I can't be lost!

What if I'm wrong about what? OSAS? The Bible is the written Word of God. Jesus is my Savior. What am I wrong about? OSASers are so judgmental!

I think it's against Forum rules to declare me as unsaved. Is everyone who denies OSAS unsaved?

You must judge me as unsaved to "prove" OSAS. Like I said, OSASers are some of the most judgmental people on Earth! Matthew 7:1-2 (NKJV) 1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you...

So you're saying John wasn't a Christian? 1 John 1:8-9 (NKJV) 8 If WE say that WE have no sin, WE deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in US. 9 If WE confess OUR sins, He is faithful and just to forgive US OUR sins and to cleanse US from all unrighteousness.

OSAS is total nonsense. Why don't you preach the fear of God? I think you're just trying to convince yourself of OSAS.

Where does it say "symbolic"? It does not! Please stop twisting the Scriptures!

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV) 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Yep, still there!

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV) 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.