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Right. This is exactly what I have been saying. But you said, Scott, "an unelect baby gets to grow up, sin, and go to hell... an unelect person won't die until they consciously reject God's laws and sin..." That statement contradicts what you say here, and is therefore not correct. Grace and...

A "OSAS" (whatever the heck that is), does not refute in any way Romans 8:1, but accepts that as one of the great promises of God (given through Paul). Absolutely true. All glory and thanks be to our great God for making this a reality now and a certainty in the future. But that there is no...

This may not make sense on first blush, but it's not hard to understand: Because we are born again, we have received God's salvation, but we are also waiting for God's salvation, which is ready to be revealed in the last time, as Peter says in 1 Peter 1:5. Let me clarify: The...

That a redeemed sinners would possibly say or even think that is an utterly ridiculous supposition, directly opposite of what Scripture is very clear is going on within the saved person because of the changed state of his heart. But that seems to be you're M.O., unfortunatedly. Grace and peace...

Your most recent post is very good, Scott, except for this: Because of the sinful nature that the baby has inherited, whether he or she has actually committed a sin of his or her own is irrelevant. At conception, because of this inherited condition they already fall short of God's glory and...

But only if, from those multiple sources, they are all perfectly congruent, can they all be the truth. If they are not all congruent, they cannot all be the truth, and it is then possible that none of them are. Unless, of course, one of those is what God says. And then only those that are...

Sure, to you. I fully expected that. It bothers me not. Truth is still truth, regardless of what one thinks of it. Grace and peace to you.

My post above is sufficient, but I'm going to respond to this: You said "Paul is not speaking of himself, nor of any saint in Christ Jesus, even as he was not calling himself the chiefest of sinners." I'm just going to quote him here (from 1 Timothy 1:12-15), with a couple of interjections...

I'll just say this, in follow up of a previous post of mine. Obedience is not to be discounted in any way, shape, or form. But obedience, though it cannot be perfect of anyone in this life because we still, even though desiring not to do so, sin, at least from time to time. But we are being...

Babies may not have outwardly committed a sin, but this is totally beside the point. We all, from conception, share in the sinful condition of all of humanity ~ we are conceived in sin, as David says of himself in Psalm 51 ("...in sin did my mother conceive me"). We all inherit this sinful...

Yeah, I did get it, but dismissed it, because it's not valid. Like I said, one could make the argument ~ but it would of course be ridiculous ~ that a person is not fully formed until he or she reaches and passes through puberty. And that would rule out anyone under the age of about eleven...

Okay, let's go through this. There are some nice little nuggets in there, but the rest of it not so much. See, the "continuing in their old sins" is the silly part of this statement, because it implies total non-repentance and willful continuance in sin and that's not the case. The...

Again, age doesn't matter, because regarding salvation, it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy (Romans 9:16). And He can do that at any stage of a person's development and/or at any age. See above. This, um, sentence, seems a bit garbled. But yes, God is...

This is a very wooden take on at least this part of Scripture. Adam was an adult (or at least of reproductive age) when he was created. One might get the ridiculous idea from the point you seem to be trying to make here that a person is not a person until he or she reaches, well, at least the...

Okay, very well. A person receives salvation when he or she is born again of the Spirit, which happens at some point within their lifetime here on earth ~ possibly very early on, even in the womb, as was the case with John (see Luke 1) and possibly very late in life, even on the person's...

Absolutely, they were. People were saved in the days before Jesus the same way that people have been since Jesus ~ by faith. Hebrews 11 is very clear that that is most certainly true. Not true at all. Again, Hebrews 11 is very clear that everyone who has been saved has been saved the same...

I'm going to quote the two passages I quoted above and a couple others and ask Robert to give us his understanding of them and how, in his thinking, they do not imply the sure perseverance of the saints: "For those whom He foreloved He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son...

The one teaching of "OSAS" (if that's even a thing... :)) that is absolutely true ~ because God Himself affirms it through the writers over and over and over again throughout Scripture, His inerrant, infallible Word ~ is that, for any one person, if he or she receives God's gift of salvation in...

No, but rather that someone who thinks he actually understands scripture fails to understand that Paul is actually talking about folks who have a double nature, because they have been born again of the Spirit and thus of God. You, Robert, apparently have no idea what double-mindedness, as...

Now, this is just mind-numbing, really: "...if you ever want to move on to Romans 8..." You might remember that the very first verse of Romans 8, Robert, says, "There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus." Romans 8 comes right after Romans 1 through 7, where Paul...