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But, it's a parable. Jesus is not intending to say that exactly half of all people will be taken and exactly half will be left when Jesus comes and the rapture occurs. That's silly. He is simply illustrating two different fates with all people experiencing either one or the other. One for those...

It's a waste of time to debate who is taken and who is left. What we know is that one is saved and one is unsaved and we agree with pretribs that one being taken and one being left occurs when the rapture occurs. So, the discussion should be about what happens to those who are saved and what...

Here is how to properly understand who is taken and who is left and what happens to those who are taken and those who are left when Jesus comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night. Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate...

Revelation 2:18 refers specifically to people who were part of the first century church in Thyatira. There are some things within Revelation 2 and 3 that referred specifically to things that were happening in those churches and some things written to the church in general. In Revelation 2:18-23...

Many Christians who disagree with your particular false brand of end times doctrine understand these things, including the person you're talking to and most of the rest of the people who have been posting in this thread. So, you're preaching to the choir here about those things. But, one thing...

Why are you such a liar? I use scripture to back up my views all the time. Do you think blatantly lying about post-tribs does anything but reveal what a liar you are? Is that your goal? To announce to everyone that you think it's okay to lie about people?

That is a lie to say we are "in no way honest". So, that was a very ironic thing for you to say. Dave and I use scripture to back up our beliefs. I use scripture EXTENSIVELY to back up my beliefs. Meanwhile, you are ALL TALK. The next coherent argument you make using scripture will be the first...

Mark 13:27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

Do you think the Bible does not prophesy about that anywhere?

Making false accusations towards someone does not help your case. Seeing one passage of the Olivet Discourse as relating to 70 AD does not make someone a partial preterist. Partial preterists believe that all, or most, of the Olivet Discourse is about what happened in 70 AD. Amills like WPM...

He doesn't have to be a partial preterist to recognize that Jesus talked about both a local event that would occur in Judea and Jerusalem, which occurred in 70 AD, as well as the global event of His future second coming in the Olivet Discourse. It's a mistake for anyone to think that the Olivet...

Right. It's just silly for anyone to think that any reference to "great tribulation" has to be referring to the same thing. Look at this... Revelation 2:18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, "These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like...

Yes, I disagree. We will meet Him "in the air", not on the earth. He is not going to come from heaven in the future more than once. Do you see that described in the Acts 1:9-11 passage? No. He will come again from heaven ONCE in the future and it will be in like manner as He ascended to heaven...

This guy thinks that He has the authority to redefine "the tribulation of those days", as if he has more authority than Jesus Himself. You can't possibly be more delusional than this guy is. While everyone else is talking about the timing of the coming of Christ and rapture in relation to "the...

LOL! No. Jesus is coming once in the future and He will come from heaven in like manner as He ascended there (visibly and bodily - Acts 1:9-11). Your convoluted nonsense surely does not unpack it. MANY post-tribs have unpacked those verses included several on this forum and you stubbornly...

You know there's other accounts of the Olivet Discourse, right? What is going to happen is that the souls of the dead in Christ will be gathered from heaven and then their resurrected, changed bodies united with their souls will be gathered along with those who are alive and remain from the...

When you say "pretrib", you mean pre-final wrath. You use the pretrib term differently than everyone else does, so it causes confusion and causes you to look like an ignorant fool. What Jesus taught is that the rapture will occur just before the final wrath comes down when Jesus returns. In that...

You complaining about someone else being too vague is like a robot designer complaining about an Amish person being too much into technology.

Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the...