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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Agree with your last two words of the first line. Plus, I've explained my view of this on this forum many times before, so didn't think there was a need to do it again. And the flood was mass, global destruction and didn't result in annihilation, so...yeah. Whatever, though.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    That's not what I'm doing. Someone attributed a comment that I didn't make to me, so I was correcting that. I only said I thought you were the one who said it, but I wasn't sure. How does that equate to me "hankering" for conflict. I'm not.
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Okay. But, my post must have spawned yours, at least, since no one was talking about 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 before I mentioned it. So, it came across that you thought when I said the earth would be destroyed that I was saying it would be annihilated and I wanted to clear that...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    You are the one who misunderstood what I said, so you are having difficulty understanding what is being said. I never said that you ever said that the sealed can be unsealed. I only said that you or possibly someone else asked the question about that. I can't recall who it was. It may have been...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    Yes. Read my post #2 in this thread and let me know your thoughts on what I said there. Matthew 25:31-46 is very clear that both the saved and unsaved will appear before Jesus for judgment. Don't complicate simple things for no reason.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    Who told you I haven't read it carefully? I have. What does an invitation imply? Do you think the invitation God offers is disingenuous? I sure don't. That's not the God I know. So, what it portrays is God's offer of salvation to all people that every person must decide whether to accept or...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    I didn't say you did. I wish I knew why you have so much trouble understanding what people are saying. Yes, I'm pretty sure you did and that's all I'm saying. Never said you did.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    That's what I referenced in my post. Why are you acting as if you are bringing something to my attention to look at when I was already using Matthew 22:1-13 to make my point? Can you address what I said in post #197 about Matthew 22:1-13?
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    No, I'm saying I think you questioned whether that can be the case, not that you said it is the case. I'm pretty sure it was you who asked that question.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    Please show me where Jesus said "many FEEL called, but few are his chosen" rather than saying "Many ARE called, but few are chosen"? Do you think the invitation that He described in Matthew 22:1-13 is a disingenuous invitation/offer to those who reject it? If so, why even invite them at all? Do...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    LOL. I'm not OSAS. This proves even further that we're not on the same page and not understanding each other. You have me confused with someone else. I never said that. I think @Gray_Joy may have said that. Of course they are, but the question is can they lose their faith and depart and fall...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    This was obviously directed to me since I brought up 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, so I'll respond to this since you are misrepresenting my view and I like to clarify things when that happens. I agree with everything you said here. Destruction does not have to equate with...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    But, 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 describe mass, global destruction occurring when the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly as a thief in the night. With that being the case, how could the day of the Lord refer to a long period of time or even a period of time involving, say, 3.5...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I don't buy any of that, but I appreciate your effort to explain to me how you see it. But, there's still something you haven't addressed about what I've been trying to tell you because of your seeming unwillingness to allow Matthew 24:35-25:46 to help understand the context of Matthew 24:4-34...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    That doesn't line up with what Paul and Peter taught. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I second this. We're all passionate about the Bible, which is a good thing, but we have to try to control that and not let things get personal. Easier said than done, of course. But, what you said here describes exactly how I feel about @Davidpt . Our frustration isn't an excuse to make things...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    Yes, in verse 15 the rebellion of God's people in old covenant times is referenced. So? Hebrews 3:12-14 is clearly being addressed only to true believers because it refers to the "brethren", which is a reference to the same "holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling" referenced a bit...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    Scripture says otherwise, as I showed. No it's not the Bible that is filled with contradiction and confusion. Where does scripture teach that it's not a book that continues to have more names written in it as times goes on and rather is a book that already had the names of everyone who will...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Judgement Seat of Christ for who ?

    Because that is what scripture teaches. Hello??? Scripture shows people as not receiving eternal life unless they prove faithful until death (Revelation 2:10-11). What we have right now is the hope and promise of eternal life, but scripture repeatedly teaches that we must remain faithful in...