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EXACTLY CORRECT. -- And you're CERTAINLY smart enough to disbelieve a liar! With Best Regards, Bobby Jo

I'm technical. But I do cook a MEAN STEAK at Outback; a tantalizing pizza at Domino's; and a decent hamburger at McDonalds. -- I cook at all the FINEST restaurants. :) Bobby Jo

I know second hand from one of the STURP investigators, -- in addition to my own research. Thus my posts. Bobby Jo

You got me! -- EVERYONE was using the pin-hole camera, WITHOUT SILVER NITRATE FILM (developed in 1839) that creates the "NEGATIVE". Yep, it was so popular, film was created some 800 YEARS LATER for all the pin-hole "cameras". Some people should stick to "cooking". :eek: Bobby Jo

@Nancy said: Amen Pat...it's an idol. "Denial"/"scoffing" can also be an IDOL, just as anything out of it's proper role. :) ... and we're warned not to "scoff". Bobby Jo

You cite it as "PROOF" for you. So now explain how you can "converse" with someone simply by thinking about them. Impossible? -- We so too a "negative" image a THOUSAND YEARS before photography was invented. So who's going to believe that artist? And how about a laser induced "Hologram"...

If you can't grasp the obvious, then the obscure is much more difficult. So try the Dan. Chapter 2 sequence of world empires, -- which are HISTORICALLY verifiable. It doesn't get any more simple (and verifiable) than Recorded Word History. Bobby Jo

The only ones who know whether I sin or not, is GOD and satan. And you're not GOD, so you must be acting on behalf of the other. But more obvious, -- satan is the accuser, and you follow his example without any evidence. You serve your master well. Bobby Jo

... wasn't invented until the early 1800's. -- So how is it that some "artist" created a "negative" some thousand years earlier?!? Who would believe that a "negative" is an artifact, unless photographic "negatives" were a PROVEN TECHNOLOGY??? Your pin-hole "proof" is counterintuitive. Bobby Jo

Some people don't "need" Bible Prophecy either. In fact one young man tore two pages from my irreplaceable RSV Bible because he apparently thought Bible Prophecy wasn't "needed". But the fact is, we not only "need" the Bible, we're also told to find other ancient books, -- and who's to say...

And neither do we "need" (I love it when children "need" a toy/candy/etc.) geographical citations, historical records, and visiting angels. But we certainly have these things, plus the Dead Sea Scrolls validate the Masoretic Text for tangible confidence. Deut. 18:22. Bobby Jo

... shall I finish the passage? Bobby Jo

... and it's not. Otherwise, "negatives" and "holograms" would have existed in whatever era the shroud would have been "created" as the "artist(s)" would not have conceived such technology. -- Not to mention the scientific analysis. So don't be deceived by "parlor tricks" or other attempts to...

Get thee behind me, accuser ... Bobby Jo

... their personal expectations, that they contorted the Dan. 9 Seven and the Sixty-two as though they were one duration to FALSELY present a "Jesus" fulfillment, -- which Newton correctly observed does "VIOLENCE" to Scripture. Thus the CORRECT rendering (typical of the RSV) shows an "anointed...

I do not make "confession" to you or anyone else, -- unless you're GOD, and you ain't. satan is the accuser, and he has no shortage of minions. Bobby Jo

... but "beliefs" do not change FACTS. :) Bobby Jo

... and let GOD judge us in what HE calls us to do, rather than others telling us what we should be doing. -- And that means YOU, @Behold. Bobby Jo

Exactly! :)

I believe that horse has already left the barn. -- Is "nutso" steady state or an increasing state? In other words, on @brian100's present path can he get even more bizarre? Bobby Jo